Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / March 2006
Print Artifact
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Pathos - 16 Mar 2006 22:38 GMT Hi Folks,
I have sporadically had this artifact on my B and W prints. In the current case, I am using Kodak Polycontrast C as the paper "negative" in a pinhole camera, that has produced excellent images recently. I just threw out the "old brown" that I was using, and filled the developer tray with fresh Dektol, diluted 1:1. When developing, a "billowing cloud" artifact forms on the image, eventhough you can still see the image in the background. The temp of the water for dilution was around 80 deg F, while the Dektol was room temp- around 68 deg F. Any thoughts on what could be causing the artifact?
Thanks much,
Dave
PS- I have a scanned 67K version of the paper neg, that I can send to anyone who wishes to see the artifact, I don't see a way of posting the image on the forum.
UC - 16 Mar 2006 22:54 GMT Do you have ANY idea how vague this question is?
How can you expect an answer?
> Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > anyone who wishes to see the artifact, I don't see a way of posting the > image on the forum. Richard Knoppow - 17 Mar 2006 00:12 GMT > Hi Folks, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > of posting the > image on the forum. By cloud do you mean something in the image itself or a cloud of bubbles in the water?
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dan.c.quinn@att.net - 17 Mar 2006 00:12 GMT > Hi Folks, I have sporadically had this artifact on my B and W prints. How about a sporadic camera light leak? Dan
Pathos - 17 Mar 2006 01:51 GMT Thanks for the replies. By billowing clouds, I mean that within the image on the print, there are grey "splotches" that look like cotton balls covering the print randomly (obscuring the image where present), although it is possible to see the true image in the background, in areas not affected.
I thought about like leak, but thought that it might be oriented towards one particular area (where the leak is) and that the cotton ball conformation would be hard to reconcile.
Sorry for the inadequacy of my description, I'm a pathologist by profession- used to describing cancer, and only an amateur photographer. As I mentioned in the original post, I do have a scanned image that I'd be happy to send to anyone who wants to see it.
Thanks and best regards,
Dave
Pathos - 17 Mar 2006 02:17 GMT I think I have found the genesis of the artifact. I exposed a "regular" negative on the same paper, using the same developer, and the artifact was not formed. I then tried the same process, but without putting a towel down at the bottom of the door (as I did not do this morning when I developed the image with the artifact), and the artifact reappeared. Hence, it does appear to be an issue of fogging, not from the camera, but from the entrance to the darkroom. Lesson learned. I'm still wondering why the fogging appears in such an unusual conformation on the print, as opposed to just a diffuse greying of the print, as seen when purposely preflashing print paper.
Thanks to all for your input,
Dave
Ken Hart - 17 Mar 2006 14:53 GMT >I think I have found the genesis of the artifact. I exposed a > "regular" negative on the same paper, using the same developer, and the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dave Fogging can be a problem to diagnose. A minilab repair tech told me about a lab that had an unusual fog issue, that only occurred on the first print after the lab had been shut down for a period-- overnight, lunch break etc. The first print would have an indistinct grid pattern image on it. Turns out that the "box" that held the photo paper had a very tiny hole in the top, sufficiently tiny to act as a pinhole camera and expose an image of the ceiling (drop ceiling with grids and tiles). Since it was in a darkroom, this image only showed up when the darkroom had been inactive and room lights were on for a time.
As for your problem, the light coming under the door may be reflecting somewhere to get to your print. You may want to check out the local home center (Home Depot, Lowes, local hardware store) for some type of door sweep or threshold that you can easily install. It's important to seal up the room so that the dark can't escape!
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 17 Mar 2006 02:19 GMT > By billowing clouds, I mean that within the > image on the print, there are grey "splotches" that look like cotton > balls covering the print randomly (obscuring the image where present), Sounds like not enough time and agitation in the developer. 2 minutes with reasonably constant agitation is about right for most papers and Dektol. Keep the developer between 68-75F/20-23C if you can.
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Pathos - 17 Mar 2006 02:33 GMT Nicholas,
Thanks for your reply. This may have further exacerbated the artifact, as I did pull the prints early, as they were somewhat overexposed. I typically used 1 min for RC papers and 3 min for FB paper at 68 deg F. I may try some further experimentation to recreate the problem, and better define all the possible variables involved.
BTW, I am originally from Painesville, and spent much of my graduate study time in Cleveland. Hope all is cold and grey ;-).
Best regards,
Dave
Nicholas O. Lindan - 17 Mar 2006 03:02 GMT > 1 min for RC papers and 3 min for FB paper at 68 deg F. That should be plenty, and not the cause of the blotches.
> spent much of my graduate study time in Cleveland. > Hope all is cold and grey ;-). You must be psychic.
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John - 17 Mar 2006 09:37 GMT >PS- I have a scanned 67K version of the paper neg, that I can send to >anyone who wishes to see the artifact, I don't see a way of posting the >image on the forum. If you forward it to me (jd at legacy-photo.com) I can post it to my site.
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