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Lith effect with common films

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pslaviero@interfree.it - 27 Feb 2006 10:50 GMT
Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm
cameras I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a similar (or
equal!) effect using "common" films. Now I'm using Efke KB 25 film.
I've tried to print negatives with 5 grade paper but this is not enough
and the effect is really not lith-like.

Thanks all

P.
Jean-David Beyer - 27 Feb 2006 12:38 GMT
> Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm cameras
> I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a similar (or equal!)
> effect using "common" films. Now I'm using Efke KB 25 film. I've tried to
> print negatives with 5 grade paper but this is not enough and the effect
> is really not lith-like.

If Kodak still make EKTAGRAPHIC HC Slide Film, you could use that. It is
very similar to KODALITH Ortho Film 2556, Type 3.

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f12/f12.jhtml#002

This data sheet is dated December 2002, so it just might be available somewhere.

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pslaviero@interfree.it - 27 Feb 2006 13:13 GMT
Jean-David Beyer ha scritto:

> > Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm cameras
> > I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a similar (or equal!)
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Unfortunately this film is discontinued and I'm sure I could not find
it in Italy.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 27 Feb 2006 14:51 GMT
> Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm

Use microfilm.  Develop in lithographic developer.

Microfilm spooled into plain-old 35mm cassettes is available as
'Gigabit', 'Spur', 'Copex', 'Bluefire' (and others) high definition/resolution
film... I don't know which ones are still available as many were
Agfa products.

If you are looking for a real black/white look you need to:

o Enlarge your continuous tone 35mm negative on to lithographic
  sheet film and go through several generations of contact lith film
  copies to get rid of the grays.  Contact print the final negative
  to photographic paper.

or

o Scan and use PhotoShop.  I don't think silver brings much to the
  table when it comes to pure black/pure white images.  If you start
  with color film you will have more flexibility determining where
  detail is held in the final print.

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Jean-David Beyer - 27 Feb 2006 23:40 GMT
>> Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm
>
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>    copies to get rid of the grays.  Contact print the final negative
>    to photographic paper.

You should be able to get rid of the greys in one step if you use the proper
lithographic developer.

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Peter Irwin - 28 Feb 2006 00:11 GMT
> Use microfilm.  Develop in lithographic developer.
>
> Microfilm spooled into plain-old 35mm cassettes is available as
> 'Gigabit', 'Spur', 'Copex', 'Bluefire' (and others) high definition/resolution
> film... I don't know which ones are still available as many were
> Agfa products.

I don't think the Agfa microfilm was part of the Agfa-Photo
business. Agfa-Gevaert still shows Copex microfilms on
their web page.

<http://www.agfa.com/en/sp/solutions/microfilm/copex/index.jsp>

Peter.
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UC - 27 Feb 2006 14:56 GMT
Shoot conventioanl films developed normally, make lith enlarged
positive, make contast lith negative, then print. I used to do this all
the time.

> Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm
> cameras I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a similar (or
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>
> P.
Mike King - 27 Feb 2006 19:21 GMT
I have tried lith film in camera and find it to be a pain, exposure latitude
is nil, each image requires much bracketing and exposure times are quite
long.  Why not just shoot regular film, give it normal development and then
make high contrast interpositives and negatives in the darkroom using lith
film in sheet film sizes?  The inevitable pinholes and other peculiarities
of litho film are easier to deal with also.

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> Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm
> cameras I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a similar (or
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>
> P.
UC - 27 Feb 2006 20:07 GMT
That's what I said!

> I have tried lith film in camera and find it to be a pain, exposure latitude
> is nil, each image requires much bracketing and exposure times are quite
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> >
> > P.
Stewy - 12 Mar 2006 11:24 GMT
> Hi all, because of the impossibility to find lith films for 35 mm
> cameras I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a similar (or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> P.

35mm Lith film is almost impossible to get. Much better to try and pick
up a box of 5x4 Lith and contact print your panchromatic negs.
 
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