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G- Blank - 11 Feb 2006 01:18 GMT Framing one of four walls tomorrow the others just need sheet rock for them.
The short list of stuff to be inside;
4x5 Mxt Color Enlarger 10x10 Diffused Halogen B&W Enlarger 11 " Table top Color print processor Jobo Atl 3 Jobo CPP2 Arkay RC1100 paper dryer 2 sinks
If anyone might be interested in seeing the floor plan I can put it on my website as PDF.
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John - 11 Feb 2006 01:53 GMT >Framing one of four walls tomorrow the others just need sheet >rock for them. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >If anyone might be interested in seeing the floor plan I can put >it on my website as PDF. I would be. Also I'd find that 10X10 enlarger interesting. Any info on that ?
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G- Blank - 11 Feb 2006 19:58 GMT > >If anyone might be interested in seeing the floor plan I can put > >it on my website as PDF. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > John - Photographer & Webmaster > www.puresilver.org - www.xs750.net I'll be more than glad to! that is once I have the enlarger set up. Meanwhile I'll post the floor plan in a day or so,....I'll give you the link in a followup.
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Mike King - 11 Feb 2006 17:48 GMT If you haven't yet bought your drywall look for the more water resistant type, mine is green in color, used a lot for a ceramic tile backer it resists water better than standard "Sheetrock", it's not much more per sheet and if your frugal (like I am) lay the sheets horizontally and use the "greenboard" only in the lower course.
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> Framing one of four walls tomorrow the others just need sheet > rock for them. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If anyone might be interested in seeing the floor plan I can put > it on my website as PDF. G- Blank - 11 Feb 2006 19:56 GMT > If you haven't yet bought your drywall look for the more water resistant > type, mine is green in color, used a lot for a ceramic tile backer it > resists water better than standard "Sheetrock", it's not much more per sheet > and if your frugal (like I am) lay the sheets horizontally and use the > "greenboard" only in the lower course. Hey Mike thats a very good suggestion, by default I used some greenboard against the walls that are exterior to the house's block walls-last summer had some water leakage there and thought green board was called for in those locations.
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Tom Phillips - 14 Feb 2006 09:44 GMT > > If you haven't yet bought your drywall look for the more water resistant > > type, mine is green in color, used a lot for a ceramic tile backer it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > summer had some water leakage there and thought green board was called > for in those locations. Well, a vapor barrier and/or waterproofing would seems just as efficacious if not more so. Course I live in a very dry climate and hanging plastic sheeting prior to framing was enough...But I agree with the others about the stereo, 'cept I prefer the 3 B's (Beethoven Beatles, Bob Dylan...)
G- Blank - 14 Feb 2006 13:38 GMT s.
> Well, a vapor barrier and/or waterproofing > would seems just as efficacious if not more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the stereo, 'cept I prefer the 3 B's (Beethoven > Beatles, Bob Dylan...) Those are pretty good musicians, I have pretty eclectic taste. Sometimes I find music to be a distraction if its not in the background,.......but I like:
Everything from Aerosmith & White Zombie to Andreas Vollenweider & Enya. & Lots of others.
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Tom Phillips - 16 Feb 2006 07:18 GMT > s. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Sometimes I find music to be a distraction if its not in the > background,.......but I like: I'd say pure genius, though Dylan in particular was/is rather eclectic. Mozart was actually less a piano prodigy than his contemporary/competitor Beethoven (little known fact...) and B was a far better composer. But I like non-genius musicians as well :)
As for background, I tend to make sure what's playing will _last_ through the current processing, whether film or print, so it doesn't go silent during fixing...
> Everything from Aerosmith & White Zombie to Andreas Vollenweider > & Enya. & Lots of others. Too many to name and would go way OT. But I might mention Dvorak and Van Morrison :)
David Nebenzahl - 16 Feb 2006 07:57 GMT Tom Phillips spake thus:
> I'd say pure genius, though Dylan in particular > was/is rather eclectic. Mozart was actually less > a piano prodigy than his contemporary/competitor > Beethoven (little known fact...) and B was a far > better composer. Your breathtaking ignorance is now on public display, like a huge dust blob on a print hanging in a gallery.
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Tom Phillips - 16 Feb 2006 08:05 GMT > Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Your breathtaking ignorance is now on public display, like a huge dust > blob on a print hanging in a gallery. Yeah, and you don't know sh.t about music, you self described "chicken" blow hard...
As usual, you issue a meaningless and fact-less personal attack rather than offer actual knowledge (of which you have none (no wonder your email cites "nobody@but.us.chickens")...
Speaking, as I listen, to B's 9th, which he wrote while utterly deaf. And it is the opine of many that B was as equal or greater to M as a piano prodigy.
Or is it you knowledgeless understanding of more modern musicality you spit your ignorance about?
David Nebenzahl - 16 Feb 2006 08:09 GMT Tom Phillips spake thus:
>>Tom Phillips spake thus: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yeah, and you don't know sh.t about music, you > self described "chicken" blow hard... And you know this how? You don't know anything about me, a.shole.
> As usual, you issue a meaningless and fact-less > personal attack rather than offer actual knowledge [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that B was as equal or greater to M as a piano > prodigy. OK, Tom, please do tell us how Beethoven was a "better composer" than Mozart (that "little-known fact" you so tantalizingly dangled at the end of that paragraph). Use all your musicological knowledge.
This oughta be good. I'm making popcorn.
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Tom Phillips - 16 Feb 2006 08:17 GMT > Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > And you know this how? You don't know anything about me, a.shole. <chuckle...>
And you naturally think I _want_ to know you?
> > As usual, you issue a meaningless and fact-less > > personal attack rather than offer actual knowledge [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Mozart (that "little-known fact" you so tantalizingly dangled at the end > of that paragraph). Use all your musicological knowledge. I said "better piano prodigy." Learn how to read.
Beyond that, oh ingnorant one, B is generally considered the greatest composer (symphony-wise) that ever lived. But you're just not well read or musicaly educated enough to know that and would rather argue about completely OT nonsense rather than display your total ignorance about on-topic photography matters...
> This oughta be good. I'm making popcorn. > > -- > Every American is full of Cheney's buckshot. Popcorn, buck shot, same dif...
David Nebenzahl - 16 Feb 2006 19:56 GMT Tom Phillips spake thus:
>>Tom Phillips spake thus: >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > about completely OT nonsense rather than display your total ignorance > about on-topic photography matters... OK, let's see: first of all, just the raw numbers: Mozart wrote about 50 symphonies (41 of which are numbered and more or less well known), while Beethoven wrote 9. (Of course, Beethoven's were generally on a larger scale than Mozart's, especially the 9th, which is closer to an oratorio in structure.) Piano concerti: Mozart wrote 25 to Beethoven's 4. Violin concerti: the score is 6 to 1. This exhausts Beethoven's concerto output, but Mozart also wrote concerti for just about every conceivable instrument: bassoon, horn, clarinet and flute, as well as his /Sinfonia Concertante/ for violin and viola. Operas: Beethoven wrote just one, Fidelio, while Mozart wrote many, including the incomparable /Don Giovanni/. Now, in chamber music, Beethoven's output approached Mozart's; Beethoven wrote two sets of string quartets (the op. 18 and op. , totalling 16 quartets) to Mozart's 23, plus any number of smaller works, including piano and violin sonatas (and to Beethoven goes the prize for the exquisite /Romance/ for violin and orchestra).
But of course raw numbers don't count, and certainly can't be used to mark one a "better composer" than another (an inane and fallacious concept if there ever was one); in that case, Wolfie would clearly have Ludwig whipped. Actually, the grand prize for symphonies goes to neither one, of course: the winner would clearly be Haydn, with his 104+ symphonies, each on a scale similar to Mozart's. And did you know that in his entire oeuvre that Haydn never repeated a single theme? Not once in all those hundred-plus symphonies, most of which are regarded as the crown jewels in the genre. So if I were awarding the prize, in this category Franz Joseph would get it.
How about this concept: comparing Beethoven to Mozart is like, well, like comparing apples to oranges. Even though there are remarkable similarities between late Mozart and early Beethoven--who was still a Classical composer, despite the unmistakeable "romantic" nature of his music--they were two entirely different entities, both musically and temperamentally. Beethoven, of course, was known for his "Titanic" qualities: if you knew anything about music, you'd recognize this in the rhythmically driving, almost maniacal passages from the last movement of his 7th symphony. Such writing would have been unknown to Mozart, who preferred to infuse his music with emotion in more subtle ways; witness the dark quality of his 24th piano concerto, which exploits the quality of the key of C minor to rival anything of Beethoven's, although on a smaller scale and without the crashing bombast. Likewise his Great Mass in C minor, a piece unfortunately overshadowed in our time to his (also great) Requiem due to a certain motion picture; listen to the opening Kyrie and tell me that Mozart wasn't every bit as emotionally compelling as Beethoven in this piece, with the strings striving ever upward.
I'll wager I know a hell of a lot more about music than you'll ever know. Speaking of Beethoven and Mozart: have you ever played the /Missa Solemnis/? Mozart's /Exultate Jubilate/? The Beethoven symphonies, including the 9th? Any of Mozart's symphonies? Do you know that there are actually words to the 39th symphony?[1]
Not to mention Brahm's /German Requiem/, his 4 symphonies (interesting how the numeric output of symphonies declines from Haydn to Mozart to Beethoven to Brahms, isn't it?), the Berlioz /Requiem/, several of Haydn's major works, including his /Missa in Tempore Bellis/ (Mass in Time of War, a piece that ought to be played daily for those in power in our age) and /Creation/, Handel's /Messiah/ (no "the", please), and a hell of a lot more. Come back and argue when you've got that under your belt.
So before you go shooting off your mouth uttering inanities about who's a better composer, save yourself the embarassment. They're both great, and that's as much as most folks who know about this stuff will say.
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David Nebenzahl - 16 Feb 2006 20:02 GMT David Nebenzahl spake thus:
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> Now, in chamber music, Beethoven's output approached Mozart's; Beethoven > wrote two sets of string quartets (the op. 18 and op. , totalling 16 That should be op. 18, op. 59, op. 74 & op. 95.
> I'll wager I know a hell of a lot more about music than you'll ever > know. Speaking of Beethoven and Mozart: have you ever played the /Missa > Solemnis/? Mozart's /Exultate Jubilate/? The Beethoven symphonies, > including the 9th? Any of Mozart's symphonies? Do you know that there > are actually words to the 39th symphony?[1] Forgot to include these:
"It's a bird, it's a plane, no it's Mozart ..."
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UC - 16 Feb 2006 20:27 GMT > So before you go shooting off your mouth uttering inanities about who's > a better composer, save yourself the embarassment. They're both great, > and that's as much as most folks who know about this stuff will say. Both were good composers, but I just don't care for Mozart at all. Not enough weight to it.
Of course, I also like Yello...(from Zurich, I believe)
http://www.yello.ch/
http://www.80sretromusic.com/biography/Y/yello.htm
Great composers!
> -- > Every American is full of Cheney's buckshot. > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 David Nebenzahl - 16 Feb 2006 21:37 GMT UC spake thus:
>> So before you go shooting off your mouth uttering inanities about >> who's a better composer, save yourself the embarassment. They're [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Both were good composers, but I just don't care for Mozart at all. Not > enough weight to it. Well, you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about either.
Go listen to the opening of Mozart's /Great Mass in C minor/ for one; then try the overture to /Don Giovanni/ for size, then tell me there's "not enough weight to it". And you want modern music--sounds that would leapfrog Beethoven practically straight into Schönberg--then check out his "Dissonant" quartet.
You excoriate others for insufficient knowledge of Art, then write the most sophomoric comments yourself. Go figure.
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UC - 16 Feb 2006 21:51 GMT I must confess I have not listened to Mozart very much.
What I HAVE heard of it does not have much weight.'
I did buy a copy of a requiem (can't recall whose it was, now, though), and did not like it.
Let's just say this: I like the Romantics much more than the Classicalists.
> UC spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You excoriate others for insufficient knowledge of Art, then write the > most sophomoric comments yourself. Go figure. I don't claim to be an art expert. My background is philosophy.
> -- > Every American is full of Cheney's buckshot. > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 Tom Phillips - 17 Feb 2006 06:52 GMT > Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > OK, let's see: first of all, just the raw numbers: No, let's not. This is typically OT and I ain't biting or reading. The greatest symphony (as generally considered) ever written is either B's 5th or the 9th. Sorry. No contest.
Suffice it to say both were great musicians and great composers. I was refering to the fact that in 1787 when Beethoven was performing in Vienna (displaying a "masterful" skill at improvisation), Mozart commented: "Keep your eyes on him. Someday he will make a stir in the world." Haydn was also in Vienna at the time.
I've read many opinions (not your's of course, but of those whose profession actually is music...) that Beethoven was considered as great a young and promising piano talent as Mozart ever was. Sorry, I know you don't like facts...
And I'm also not the one shooting one's mouth off. Your greatest talent is simply dragging people down to your level in the form of useless, vulgar banter. Stuff which has nothing to do with photography. So play whatever you like in your darkroom and feel free to consider yourself a great depository of musical knowledge. I was simply conversing with Greg about what music I preferred, and it ain't opera. Give me a symphony any day...
> Mozart wrote about 50 symphonies (41 of which are numbered and more or > less well known), while Beethoven wrote 9. (Of course, Beethoven's were [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 David Nebenzahl - 17 Feb 2006 09:00 GMT Tom Phillips spake thus:
>> OK, let's see: first of all, just the raw numbers: > > No, let's not. This is typically OT and I ain't biting or reading. Oh, I get it; when *you* want to take up an "OT" topic, it's OK, but when I ("typically", mind you) do it, it's suddenly not kosher.
> The greatest symphony (as generally considered) ever written is > either B's 5th or the 9th. Sorry. No contest. I see; you have it on whose authority? And Brahms' 1st isn't even in the running, right? Now if you had said "In my opinion, the greatest symphony ever written is ", that would be OK, but to invoke unnamed authorities ("generally considered"), that's quite another matter. (Of course, to the unwashed masses, Beethoven's 5th and (maybe) 9th are the only symphonies they're able to name or recognize, so maybe you're confusing "greatest" with "most popular". Whatever.)
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UC - 17 Feb 2006 13:42 GMT Mahler's 5th has some nice tunes in it. he copied the beginning 4-note theme idea from Ludwig B.
I like Tchaikovsky's 4, 5, and 6 too. The performances by Abbado are superb.
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> Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 David Nebenzahl - 17 Feb 2006 22:51 GMT UC spake thus:
> Mahler's 5th has some nice tunes in it. he copied the beginning 4-note > theme idea from Ludwig B. > > I like Tchaikovsky's 4, 5, and 6 too. The performances by Abbado are > superb. Yes, everyone knows 4-6, but almost nobody listens to (or plays, for that matter), 1-3. Pity, since there's such good music there (especially the "Little Russian", the 2nd, and "Winter Dreams", no. 1).
And for some reason, only the odd-numbered Beethoven symphonies are popularly known, with the exception of the "Pastoral", no. 6. My own favorite is the 8th, which is pure bombastic Beethoven from the get-go.
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UC - 17 Feb 2006 22:53 GMT > UC spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that matter), 1-3. Pity, since there's such good music there (especially > the "Little Russian", the 2nd, and "Winter Dreams", no. 1). I think I owned them on LP at one time, but they apparently did not impress me very much. I didn't replace them on CD when I sold my 1200 LPs..
> And for some reason, only the odd-numbered Beethoven symphonies are > popularly known, with the exception of the "Pastoral", no. 6. My own > favorite is the 8th, which is pure bombastic Beethoven from the get-go. Yup.
> -- > Every American is full of Cheney's buckshot. > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 John - 18 Feb 2006 15:39 GMT >My own >favorite is the 8th, which is pure bombastic Beethoven from the get-go. I'm a Steppenwolf fan personally ;>)
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David Nebenzahl - 18 Feb 2006 19:50 GMT John spake thus:
>> My own favorite is the 8th, which is pure bombastic Beethoven from >> the get-go. > > I'm a Steppenwolf fan personally ;>) Goddamn the pusher man, eh?
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John - 20 Feb 2006 04:57 GMT >> I'm a Steppenwolf fan personally ;>) > >Goddamn the pusher man, eh? I was thinkin' along the lines of Born To Be Wild actually ;>)
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Tops around 180 but I haven't gotten over 150. Yet.
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Tom Phillips - 21 Feb 2006 08:28 GMT > >> I'm a Steppenwolf fan personally ;>) > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tops around 180 but I haven't gotten over 150. Yet. Well, not _quite_ Fonda's chopper (which was actually wrecked during filming...)
But your's is without doubt a lot more comfortable on the highway :)
Dana H. Myers - 21 Feb 2006 16:48 GMT >>> I'm a Steppenwolf fan personally ;>) >> Goddamn the pusher man, eh? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tops around 180 but I haven't gotten over 150. Yet. I had a Honda V65 Sabre back in the 1980s, which was an 1100cc V-4 version of the unfaired UJM. One time, on Interstate out near, um, nowhere, I had it at an indicated 150MPH. Without a fairing, it wasn't terribly comfortable, my helmet was trying to pull off of my head. I never got around to buying a fairing and seeing how over 150 it would do...
My GSX-R750 was more comfortable at speed - here in turn 3 of the big track at Willow Springs (there was no little track back then):
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Fun stuff, eh.
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Tom Phillips - 17 Feb 2006 06:54 GMT > Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > OK, let's see: first of all, just the raw numbers: No, let's not. This is typically OT and I ain't biting or reading. The greatest symphony (as generally considered) ever written is either B's 5th or the 9th. Sorry. No contest (although I tend to prefer the 3rd.)
Suffice it to say both were great musicians and great composers. I was referring to the fact that in 1787 when Beethoven was performing in Vienna (displaying a "masterful" skill at improvisation), Mozart commented: "Keep your eyes on him. Someday he will make a stir in the world." Haydn was also in Vienna at the time.
I've read many opinions (not your's of course, but of those whose profession actually is music...) that Beethoven was considered as great a young and promising piano talent as Mozart ever was. Sorry, I know you don't like facts...
And I'm also not the one shooting one's mouth off. Your greatest talent is simply dragging people down to your level in the form of useless, vulgar banter. Stuff which has nothing to do with photography. So play whatever you like in your darkroom and feel free to consider yourself a great depository of musical knowledge. I was simply conversing with Greg about what music I preferred in _my_ darkroom, not yours, and it ain't opera. Give me a symphony any day...
> Mozart wrote about 50 symphonies (41 of which are numbered and more or > less well known), while Beethoven wrote 9. (Of course, Beethoven's were [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 Tom Phillips - 16 Feb 2006 08:09 GMT > Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Your breathtaking ignorance is now on public display, like a huge dust > blob on a print hanging in a gallery. Yeah, and you don't know sh.t about music, you self described "chicken" blow hard...
As usual, you issue a meaningless and fact-less personal attack rather than offer actual knowledge (of which you have none (no wonder your email cites "nobody@but.us.chickens")...
Speaking, as I listen, to B's 9th, which he wrote while utterly deaf. And it is the opine of many that B was as equal or greater to M as a piano prodigy. Or is it your knowledgeless understanding of more modern musicality (on top of art) you spit your ignorance out about?
BTW, do you have a job, that you spend night and day here 7 days a week? Or are you an insomniac -- drunk most nights trying to find rest?
UC - 16 Feb 2006 14:14 GMT > Tom Phillips spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Your breathtaking ignorance is now on public display, like a huge dust > blob on a print hanging in a gallery. I'd have to agree that Mozart's compositions were a bit light-weight. Too dainty for my taste. I like Brahms, Mahler, Beethoven, Wagner, etc. I don't own any Mozart recordings.
Mozart wrote nothing remotely as good as some of Wagner's best moments.Of course, Wagner wrote a lot of noise, too.
> -- > Every American is full of Cheney's buckshot. > > - Sign on the Grand-Lake Theater, Oakland, CA, Feb. 14, 2006 UC - 16 Feb 2006 14:08 GMT > s. > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Everything from Aerosmith & White Zombie to Andreas Vollenweider > & Enya. & Lots of others. That explains a lot.
> -- > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > greg_____photo(dot)com John - 11 Feb 2006 21:26 GMT >If you haven't yet bought your drywall look for the more water resistant >type, mine is green in color, used a lot for a ceramic tile backer it >resists water better than standard "Sheetrock", it's not much more per sheet >and if your frugal (like I am) lay the sheets horizontally and use the >"greenboard" only in the lower course. Good advice. I'm doing this in all of the rooms in our home as we're insultaing and rewiring the whole home. It's amazing how damp the soil is here in Tennessee. There are obvious water signs inside every wall I've looked in so far.
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UC - 11 Feb 2006 21:35 GMT > If you haven't yet bought your drywall look for the more water resistant > type, mine is green in color, used a lot for a ceramic tile backer it > resists water better than standard "Sheetrock", it's not much more per sheet > and if your frugal (like I am) lay the sheets horizontally and use the > "greenboard" only in the lower course. You realize you don't need to make the darkroom anything like a real room. You could use just plain cardboard and 2x4's. All it has to do is to stop light. I use a corner of a basement that is sealed off.
> -- > darkroommike [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > greg_____photo(dot)com Ken Hart - 12 Feb 2006 01:41 GMT >> If you haven't yet bought your drywall look for the more water resistant >> type, mine is green in color, used a lot for a ceramic tile backer it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > room. You could use just plain cardboard and 2x4's. All it has to do is > to stop light. I use a corner of a basement that is sealed off. Yeah, but... In my teenage years, my darkroom was in the old root cellar of the house. There ain't nothin' like a real live temperature controlled, low dust, spacious room filled with dark and a good stereo system!
(Actually, if you are going to use ceramic tile, you need to use cement board- similar to drywall, but a water_proof_ product available in 3'x5' sheets. Green sheetrock is water _resistant_.)
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John - 12 Feb 2006 05:22 GMT >Yeah, but... >In my teenage years, my darkroom was in the old root cellar of the house. >There ain't nothin' like a real live temperature controlled, low dust, >spacious room filled with dark and a good stereo system! Amen ! I spent so much time in the dark, I became quite adept at hitting the remote control for my stereo on the fly. Had 2 floor standing towers and six speakers hanging from the ceiling. Listened to everything from Accept to ZZ Top, Bach to Wagner and Aaron Tippon to Vince Gill. Whatever it took to drown out the persisting sound of running water ;>)
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Pieter Litchfield - 12 Feb 2006 14:37 GMT Agreed! And let me add that my personal "must haves" in my darkroom building were (1) a proper long sink (2) an accurate and repeatable enlarger timer (3) a thermostatic valve for constant water temperature and (4) clean air. I have a little B&W only darkroom in my basement that allows me to be very productive by controlling variables like exposure times and temperatures so I don't have to constantly fix errors caused by drifting values.
>>Yeah, but... >>In my teenage years, my darkroom was in the old root cellar of the house. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > John - Photographer & Webmaster > www.puresilver.org - www.xs750.net G- Blank - 12 Feb 2006 15:10 GMT > > You realize you don't need to make the darkroom anything like a real > > room. You could use just plain cardboard and 2x4's. All it has to do is > > to stop light. I use a corner of a basement that is sealed off.
> Yeah, but... > In my teenage years, my darkroom was in the old root cellar of the house. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > board- similar to drywall, but a water_proof_ product available in 3'x5' > sheets. Green sheetrock is water _resistant_.) I might this is my dwelling therefore I want a permanent room, I've seen people make tear down darkrooms out of plastic trash bags. Since I do a lot of of darkroom work as earns me a fair portion of my business I want it to be permanent.
I think I am a fairly competent carpenter, this last year so far I have ripped all the carpets out of the house, had the hardwood floors refinished, and I personally refurbished the bathroom. I bashed out the walls around the tub and demolished the old yucky cast iron tub. Put a new tub in, tiled around it, ripped down existing plastic yucky tile which went half way up all the walls and reinstalled wainscoting, a new crapper, and a new pedestal sink,....and new floor tile& paint.
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UC - 12 Feb 2006 21:00 GMT I'm just saying you don't need sheet rock walls. You can build the frame and door and everything with wood, but make the 'walls' out of light, cheap materials, even cardboard. It just has to be light-tight, taht's all.
> > > You realize you don't need to make the darkroom anything like a real > > > room. You could use just plain cardboard and 2x4's. All it has to do is [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > greg_____photo(dot)com otzi - 12 Feb 2006 22:06 GMT > I'm just saying you don't need sheet rock walls. You can build the > frame and door and everything with wood, but make the 'walls' out of [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> >> greg_____photo(dot)com Try lightish ply. Then you can nail, glue, somehow afix shelving or other wall fixtures. It's also easy to put in holes for swithes etc.
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G- Blank - 12 Feb 2006 23:41 GMT > Try lightish ply. Then you can nail, glue, somehow afix shelving or other > wall fixtures. It's also easy to put in holes for swithes etc. Too late; sheetrock installed yesterday :) Cousin the electrician wired all the outlets, brother the "plumber" will rig the sinks and water outlets in a week or so.
How does a fourteen by fourteen foot room sound?
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John - 12 Feb 2006 23:47 GMT >> Try lightish ply. Then you can nail, glue, somehow afix shelving or other >> wall fixtures. It's also easy to put in holes for swithes etc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >How does a fourteen by fourteen foot room sound? Adequate. Depends on how much room that 10X10 takes up. My D138 takes up about 16 sq.ft. being 4'x4'. Add in tables, bookshelves, stereo, sink(s), cabinets and so forth and my 15X15 is just adequate. Remember that I don't print larger than 11X14 anymore.
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Mike King - 19 Feb 2006 13:58 GMT Too wide! My darkroom is 9x14 and I wish it was 8x14, over the years all those extra steps from the dryside to the wetside have really added up. ;) It's nice to have the space.
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> > Try lightish ply. Then you can nail, glue, somehow afix shelving or other > > wall fixtures. It's also easy to put in holes for swithes etc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How does a fourteen by fourteen foot room sound? Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2006 18:01 GMT >over the years all >those extra steps from the dryside to the wetside have really added up. ;) >It's nice to have the space. February 19, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,
Well, you've only been doing something I had to enforce upon myself recently.
I made it a rule that I had to rise from my chair to approach the scanner. I'm thinking of adding a bow and maybe a scrape. Otherwise my level of exercise was just *too* low. I think I should add a little meandering line I have to follow on the floor to get from dry side to wet side ...
Just what must I do for the privilege of seeing my belt buckle when I get dressed? I realize two hundred situps a week is a start ... I'm a little unclear about how this pork came to become attached to my slender frame ... did anyone notice while I was distracted?
regards, --le
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Tom Gardner - 13 Feb 2006 01:03 GMT Try and make it spider proof!
> Framing one of four walls tomorrow the others just need sheet > rock for them. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If anyone might be interested in seeing the floor plan I can put > it on my website as PDF. John - 13 Feb 2006 03:14 GMT >Try and make it spider proof! Only in the arctic !
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Tom Phillips - 14 Feb 2006 09:31 GMT > >Try and make it spider proof! > > Only in the arctic ! Nope. Arachnids can not only exist but thrive in arctic environments. Amazingly I've seen them crawling around at 14,000 ft plus. Scorpions can even survive burial in Greenland ice. I find them in my rather well sealed darkroom all the time (dead, since there's no other arthropods to live on that I've ever seen there.)
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