Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / October 2003
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Michael Scarpitti - 23 Sep 2003 20:56 GMT New sports pics and people pics added this week
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http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S153.htm http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S155.htm http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S158.htm http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S160.htm http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S163.htm http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S165.htm http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S168.htm
J Stafford - 24 Sep 2003 01:28 GMT > New sports pics and people pics added this week > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S165.htm > http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S168.htm Okay. You can shoot for some of our entry-level college photographers. Next?
Alexis Neel - 24 Sep 2003 10:11 GMT > > New sports pics and people pics added this week > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Okay. You can shoot for some of our entry-level college photographers. Next? I was gonna suggest for a high school.
Notice the un-even density on the left and lower left side. Interesting, for the worlds greatest printer and all knowing darkroom god.
Michael Scarpitti - 24 Sep 2003 14:44 GMT > > > New sports pics and people pics added this week > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Notice the un-even density on the left and lower left side. > Interesting, for the worlds greatest printer and all knowing darkroom god. What the hell are you talking about? I did not deveop or print many of these images. They were scanned from books. I'd advise you to keep silent about things you don't know about.
Alexis Neel - 26 Sep 2003 09:26 GMT > > > > New sports pics and people pics added this week > > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > these images. They were scanned from books. I'd advise you to keep > silent about things you don't know about. First, take your own advise and keep quiet about anything photographic, since you know very little. Second, I don't care who did it...there is uneven density along the edge, at least I see it. Amazing also that the worlds best printer and formost authority on photography wouldn't do his own printing and developing.
Sounds like a poor excuse to me.
Michael Scarpitti - 26 Sep 2003 18:20 GMT > > > > > New sports pics and people pics added this week > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Sounds like a poor excuse to me. Alexis, I don't know what to say to you. I'm totally frustrated by your inability to descriminate among the various points that I make.
These photos are representative of my 'shooting skills' at the age of 20 years, more than 30 years ago, and that's **all** they're intended to represent. As such, if I may say so, I think damned few people could match my reflexes, anticipation, and eye-hand coordination. I know, because quite a few photographers drifted in and out of the Makio office during the years I was there, and nobody could touch me on those points, except Lee Jenkins, who could often come up with even better stuff than I did on sports, though his style was different. If that sampling is of any value, and I think it is (after all, a lot of young people were into photography during those years) I think it says a lot about my shooting skills.
But to your point: As a student, I did not have the time to process and print hundreds of rolls of film a year. No-one on the yearbook staff did. That's why the yearbook used a lab for routine pictures. Have you ever been in college, taking 18 hours a quarter, and working part time to boot? If so, you'd know that it would not be possible to do this. I reserved my 'custom' processing and enlarging for isolated images that were used in special sections, such as the Introduction or seasonal dividers. Then, all my efforts were in vain because the publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully left in. (See 'Girl on Steps' as an example.)
As it was, I devoted far too much time to the yearbook, and I hope you understand that whatever one's capabilities, the ability to be in two places at one time still eludes our grasp. Or am I mistaken?
So, if you want to comment on the composition or artistry of the photo, fine, I welcome that, but to criticize the scan from a printed page of an image which I neither developed nor printed is unfounded.
jjs - 26 Sep 2003 19:29 GMT "Michael Scarpitti" <mikescarpitti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> These photos are representative of my 'shooting skills' at the age of > 20 years, more than 30 years ago, and that's **all** they're intended > to represent. As such, if I may say so, I think damned few people > could match my reflexes, anticipation, and eye-hand coordination. That was then. This is now. Not everyone keeps his reflexes or talent, and many get no better at all. You shouldn't rest on decaded laurels.
And FWIW, I was on a newspaper (not student) staff of outstanding young photographers and became quite accustomed to excellent work. We would expect to find the kind of photographs you showed as a matter of daily routine from a photographer who was playing instead of working. Of our little staff of five young photographers, one went on to National Geographic (now retired), another is still a practicing PJ (Three Pulitzers), one is a recently retired fullt-time Pro Football photographer. That leaves two, of which I'm obviously one. I went into Academe. So shoot me.
So, let's get back to HERE and NOW, eh? The subject is DARKROOM.
Mark Wolenski - 26 Sep 2003 19:45 GMT > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully > left in. (See 'Girl on Steps' as an example.) Working within the range of the media is paramount. Single-impression halftone reproduction cannot reproduce the full tonal range of the original print. Your efforts were not in vain. They were a waste of time.
Michael Scarpitti - 26 Sep 2003 22:54 GMT > > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > halftone reproduction cannot reproduce the full tonal range of the original > print. Your efforts were not in vain. They were a waste of time. I had no way to know how they would turn out. I did my best.
Alexis Neel - 01 Oct 2003 09:16 GMT > > > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > > > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I had no way to know how they would turn out. I did my best. A true professional would, especially the worlds greatest printer. He or she knows the technical considerations for various reproduced mediums and shoots, develops and prints accordingly (or instructs others to do it for them correctly).
Again, no excuse
Michael Scarpitti - 01 Oct 2003 14:36 GMT > > > > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > > > > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Again, no excuse I was 20 years old. In college. Studying philosophy. This was a 'volunteer' job. I had no control over the publisher's technical details. You are unbelieveable.
Jytzel - 01 Oct 2003 20:16 GMT > > > > > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > > > > > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 'volunteer' job. I had no control over the publisher's technical > details. You are unbelieveable. You always have an execuse troll. What you posted is a piece of crap... period.
Jytzel - 01 Oct 2003 20:20 GMT > > > > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > > > > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Again, no excuse Alexis, I think we should just ignore that troll. This group is much worse since it appeared.
Dennis O'Connor - 01 Oct 2003 20:57 GMT That's it... PLONK
> > mikescarpitti@yahoo.com (Michael Scarpitti) wrote in message Alexis Neel - 02 Oct 2003 08:57 GMT > > > > > Then, all my efforts were in vain because the > > > > > publisher dropped out all the shadow detail that I had very carefully [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I think we should just ignore that troll. This group is much worse > since it appeared. ok point taken
Michael Scarpitti - 24 Sep 2003 14:46 GMT > > New sports pics and people pics added this week > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Okay. You can shoot for some of our entry-level college photographers. Next? Can we see YOUR sports photographs of a runner coming FULL speed at you and you nailed the focus so perfectly that his eyes are in perfect focus?
J Stafford - 24 Sep 2003 14:52 GMT > > Okay. You can shoot for some of our entry-level college photographers. Next? > > Can we see YOUR sports photographs of a runner coming FULL speed at > you and you nailed the focus so perfectly that his eyes are in perfect > focus? I suppose I could dig through the big box of out-takes I was allowed to keep, but I hated shooting sports on assignment and don't want to go there again. If I haven't touched the old stuff for thirty years for myself, I sure am not going to do it for you.
Michael Scarpitti - 24 Sep 2003 20:28 GMT > > john@stafford.net (J Stafford) wrote in message > news:<john-2309031928350001@ip-0-205.sprint-rev.hbci.com>... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > again. If I haven't touched the old stuff for thirty years for myself, I > sure am not going to do it for you. I showed mine. Show yours or don't comment. People might think you're chicken or something.
Michael Scarpitti - 02 Oct 2003 03:17 GMT More stuff up today.
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By the way Alexis, your comments are completely inappropriate. I was not a professional while in college, at the age of 20 or 21, and the printer/publisher did not do a good job with some rather carefully made prints I supplied. They had done a good job in the two previous years. I had no reason to believe they would not continue to do so. Remember, I was not the editor and did not see the proofs. This was 32 years ago!
By looking at my recent photos, you'll see much greater control of the medium.
Fine Art Photographer - 02 Oct 2003 03:27 GMT Hey Michael,
I like those photos. Good shooting.
Lauvone www.lauvone.com
Alexis Neel - 02 Oct 2003 08:51 GMT > More stuff up today. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > By looking at my recent photos, you'll see much greater control of the > medium. My comments stand, and it doesn't matter whether you are 18 or 80. I find it hard that the same publisher of, as you state, previously quality work for at least 2 years, would suddenly drop the ball. Of course I wasn't there, but that is my impression.
Michael Scarpitti - 10 Oct 2003 01:18 GMT > > More stuff up today. > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > quality work for at least 2 years, would suddenly drop the ball. Of > course I wasn't there, but that is my impression. I'll show you scan of the 1970 book if you'd like!
Alexis Neel - 02 Oct 2003 08:55 GMT > More stuff up today. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > By looking at my recent photos, you'll see much greater control of the > medium. Father and Son: Why would you leave the upper left corner lighter that most everything else in the scene? Its very distracting, especially considering the graphic nature of that area.
Michael Scarpitti - 02 Oct 2003 15:26 GMT > > More stuff up today. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > that most everything else in the scene? Its very distracting, > especially considering the graphic nature of that area. Your're absolutely right, Alexis. This is a straight print, not an exhibition print, however, just to see how the film/developer combo works. I like it. For an exhibition print, I would modify the rather distracting side elements. It's that green crowd fencing they use at festivals, and if you note the light is hitting a bit stronger just above the boy's head, probably refelecting from a window in the church wall. You can see the shadows on the sidewalk toward the top. If I get a chance this weekend, I'll give it a go. Thanks for your critical eye!
Mark Wolenski - 02 Oct 2003 12:26 GMT Perhaps it could be blamed on either staff change or work load. As for seeing the proofs, very few quantity printers would have made corrections after proofs were made. The financial investment up to that point is rather high and nobody likes to do work for free. Corrections on the press, while possible, have compounding effects when working with a 16-page imposition. A density correction for a photo effects adjacent images as well as the density of the text.
> More stuff up today. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > By looking at my recent photos, you'll see much greater control of the > medium. Frank Pittel - 26 Sep 2003 15:08 GMT : > New sports pics and people pics added this week : > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : > http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S165.htm : > http://zd.csimultimedia.com/S168.htm
: Okay. You can shoot for some of our entry-level college photographers. Next? The stuff churned out by the intro to photography students at the local college is better then the stuff scarpitti is putting on line.
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Michael Scarpitti - 26 Sep 2003 21:55 GMT > > : > New sports pics and people pics added this week [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The stuff churned out by the intro to photography students at the local college > is better then the stuff scarpitti is putting on line. You do realize of course that others have already disagreed. And we have notseen your gems either.
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