A photographer friend of mine had insisted on using paper negative
wallets to archive his negatives, his rationale being that the paper
can "breathe" and therfore the enclosed negative will wether changes in
humidity better. Now, his regular stockist won't carry paper negative
wallets anymore and he is trawling ebay to look for these things.
I work in the printing industries and I am sure most PP/PE film are not
a moisture barrier unless a coating is applied. So his preference for
paper is really redundant. However my friend won't be convinced so I
thought I will leave him to it.
My question is, is there any other good reasons for using paper
negative wallet for archiving black and white negatives? My friend
only brought up the topic because he knows that I know some envelope
makers who might be able to do a short production run just for his
benefit. I am willing to help, but perhaps only if there is a very
good argument for all the efforts that is going to be involved (mainly
dust control).
Another question, for those of you who use plastic negative wallets, do
you have any preferece for what material goes into protecting your
negatives? Any horror stories involving plastic negative holder? And
Do anyone knows what museums do to archive photographic negatives?
Many Thanks.
Illicium
Ken Smith - 25 Dec 2005 15:47 GMT
Light Impressions carries alot of archiving materials. Maybe they will
have something that suits your friends needs. Isn't it Arizona
University in Tuscon that has a huge collection of archived
photography? Maybe someone there can pass a few tips along. I always
liked the feel of glassine myself, but have settled on the plastic
archival materials from various companies, in the hopes that they are
safe.
David Nebenzahl - 25 Dec 2005 20:38 GMT
Ken Smith spake thus:
> Light Impressions carries alot of archiving materials. Maybe they will
> have something that suits your friends needs. Isn't it Arizona
> University in Tuscon that has a huge collection of archived
> photography?
University of Arizona; Arizona State (ASU) is in Tempe (nr. Phoenix). UA
is the flagship campus of the 3 state schools.
I once attended a photograpy class in the early 19-ought-70s (large
format, taught by Paul Kuiper), in which one of the other attendees was
John Schaeffer, then a chemistry prof. He went on to found the Center
for Photography after he became President of the university.

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dan.c.quinn@att.net - 28 Dec 2005 22:08 GMT
> I always liked the feel of glassine myself,
> but have settled on the plastic archival materials
> from various companies, ...
I like glassine also. I've Adox film from forty five years
ago stored in Adox four sleeve folders. They look just fine.
Glassine sleeves are much available, 35mm through 8 x 10.
Give www.artcity.com a look. Dan
Pieter Litchfield - 28 Dec 2005 23:30 GMT
For my 35mm, 2 1/4 x 2 1/4, and 4 x 5 negatives, I find that archival
plastic pages have 2 advantages over glassine:
1. You can make a contact sheet without removing the negatives from the
carrier - less chance of dirt.
2. You can easily keep negative in order and cataloged in an orderly
inventory system (covered in prior posts to different thread).
>> I always liked the feel of glassine myself,
>> but have settled on the plastic archival materials
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> Glassine sleeves are much available, 35mm through 8 x 10.
> Give www.artcity.com a look. Dan
nailer - 26 Dec 2005 00:20 GMT
anything involving PCV is a big no, due to large amount of
plasticisers (phthalates), which can migrate and foul film strips.
Avoid anything that can release acidic vapours.
PE and PP seem to be OK, cos there is nothing except a polymer.
Waxed paper is OK, but I do not thing 'breathing' properties are so
important.
To make the whole story short - if it is good for color films, then it
should be good for BW films.
I use KLAME archival film filing & protection system sheets.
#A photographer friend of mine had insisted on using paper negative
#wallets to archive his negatives, his rationale being that the paper
#can "breathe" and therfore the enclosed negative will wether changes
in
#humidity better. Now, his regular stockist won't carry paper
negative
#wallets anymore and he is trawling ebay to look for these things.
#
#I work in the printing industries and I am sure most PP/PE film are
not
#a moisture barrier unless a coating is applied. So his preference
for
#paper is really redundant. However my friend won't be convinced so I
#thought I will leave him to it.
#
#My question is, is there any other good reasons for using paper
#negative wallet for archiving black and white negatives? My friend
#only brought up the topic because he knows that I know some envelope
#makers who might be able to do a short production run just for his
#benefit. I am willing to help, but perhaps only if there is a very
#good argument for all the efforts that is going to be involved
(mainly
#dust control).
#
#Another question, for those of you who use plastic negative wallets,
do
#you have any preferece for what material goes into protecting your
#negatives? Any horror stories involving plastic negative holder? And
#Do anyone knows what museums do to archive photographic negatives?
#
#Many Thanks.
#
#Illicium
Jean-David Beyer - 26 Dec 2005 01:44 GMT
> anything involving PCV is a big no, due to large amount of plasticisers
> (phthalates), which can migrate and foul film strips. Avoid anything that
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>
> I use KLAME archival film filing & protection system sheets.
I use paper envelopes from Light Impressions, but I put the negatives in
mylar (for 4"x5" negatives and sometimes for 35mm) or polypropylene (the
rest of the time for 35mm). I then keep the paper envelopes in cardboard
boxen made from archival materials also from Light Impressions.

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Mike King - 27 Dec 2005 14:04 GMT
Paper negative wallets? If he is using glassines that's the worst choice he
could make unless they are guaranteed to be archival and neutral pH. I have
boxes of old glassines that have yellowed significantly in the 30 years I
have had my darkroom. (I don't use them but hate to throw anything out.
Occasionally I have done copy work for local outfits where the "spec" is for
glassine sleeving of copy negatives, I'll haul out my old stock to show
them, usually they'll change their minds, if they don't I'll sleeve the
negatives in glassine after they sign a release.)
On the subject of envelopes, if he had envelopes made, his biggest concern
is the type of paper used but you also need to be aware that most envelope
gums are not archival either. I wonder how many envelope companies will
change out the glue in the glue pots on their lines for a "short run"?
He can store individual strips in 100% rag paper folded once to make a "V"
and put all negatives from the same roll in a "archival" envelope. As a
commercial equivalent I can refer him to Light Impressions. Light
Impressions makes a lot of different museum quality (and museum priced!)
storage options. I haven't bought anything from them but like both their
catalog and website as a source of storage ideas and options. (That may
need to change since local sourcing for all photographic materials is
"drying up".)
http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/servlet/OnlineShopping
I still use Print File pages. They don't need to "breathe" unless they are
stored in an area that widely and rapidly fluctuates in humidity (or unless
he is coating living animals with Rockland Colloid emulsion). Both ends of
each storage strip are open to the atmosphere, that's good enough for me.
In my opinion, neutral pH, acid free storage with constant humidity is much
more important than the actual material put next to the negatives. (And I
don't mean papers that have been carbonate buffered but rather 100% "rag" or
purified wood pulp (cellulose) or Polypropolene or Polyethylene.)
eBay? Great for many things, this month I bought some collectibles, a SCSI
cable and a transparency lid for my Epson Scanner but for archival
materials? Come on, these are the same guys that will open a box of
photographic paper to photograph so they can show you it's condition before
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> A photographer friend of mine had insisted on using paper negative
> wallets to archive his negatives, his rationale being that the paper
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>
> Illicium
prep@prep.synonet.com - 28 Dec 2005 13:07 GMT
> A photographer friend of mine had insisted on using paper negative
> wallets to archive his negatives, his rationale being that the paper
> can "breathe" and therfore the enclosed negative will wether changes
> in humidity better. Now, his regular stockist won't carry paper
> negative wallets anymore and he is trawling ebay to look for these
> things.
Unless he is using the right paper, he is possibly setting up for alot
of hurt. His paper DOES meet the ANSI specs?
> Another question, for those of you who use plastic negative wallets,
> do you have any preferece for what material goes into protecting
> your negatives? Any horror stories involving plastic negative
> holder? And Do anyone knows what museums do to archive photographic
> negatives?
PP to the correct spec. See Henry Wilhelm's collection for details etc.

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