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no more apx 100 + rodinal, what to do?
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P. Jovells - 12 Dec 2005 10:08 GMT My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead.
Can you recomend an alternative?
I would like a developer with no problems (liquid, one use, long shelf life, etc..)
Thanks
David Nebenzahl - 12 Dec 2005 10:51 GMT P. Jovells spake thus:
> My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead. > > Can you recomend an alternative? > > I would like a developer with no problems (liquid, one use, long shelf life, > etc..) Where are you? If over here (US), Kodak's HC-110 would fulfill the requirements you listed, though I can't promise that you'd like the results. (Many people do, and many others don't.) It does keep well like Rodinal.
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Gregory Blank - 12 Dec 2005 13:16 GMT > My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks Without directly answering your question, let me counter by asking how much trouble did you invest in obtaining that combination as your favorite?
Since Apx 100 was not a modern T or D grain emulsion look at Neopan 100 or Plus X pan as possible main stream film replacements. Or perhaps Fomapan 100-Bergger 100-Fortepan-100.
Any number of home brewed formula could match the Rodinal imop, so a good investment is buying the Darkroom Cook Book by Stephen G Anchell.
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theyankeesnapper@aol.com - 12 Dec 2005 13:17 GMT The Photographers Formulary.com, is coming out with a liquid replacement for Rodinal and you can always use any number of old style films.
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Rod Smith - 12 Dec 2005 19:09 GMT > The Photographers Formulary.com, is coming out with a liquid > replacement for Rodinal and you can always use any number of old style > films. There's also Calbe R09, which is closely related to Agfa's Rodinal. (Agfa was effectively split after WWII, with the modern Agfa Rodinal being one derivative of the pre-WWII Rodinal and Calbe R09 being another. Rumor has it that Calbe R09 is closer to the pre-WWII Rodinal than Agfa's recent Rodinal.) Dilutions and times with Calbe R09 are slightly different than with Agfa Rodinal, but results are reputed to be difficult or impossible to detect. In the US, Calbe R09 is available from J&C:
http://www.jandcphoto.com
They're out of stock at the moment, but IIRC they expect a shipment Real Soon Now. E-mail them for details.
You can also, as others have suggested, find formulas for "Rodinal-like" developers online and in books. It's fairly simple to mix, but it requires you to handle sodium hydroxide (lye) or potassium hydroxide (similarly caustic), depending on which formula you follow. Be sure to read and follow the safety notes. The toughest ingredient to find will be para-aminophenol hydrochloride. Check Photographer's Formulary (http://www.photoformulary.com) for that.
As to APX 100, I've not used enough of either to comment personally, but I've seen claims that Fomapan 100 (available from J&C or Freestyle) is similar in overall "feel" to APX 100. I wouldn't suggest buying a dozen 100-foot bulk rolls on the basis of this nth-hand information, but it might be worth buying a few 36-exposure rolls to check it out.
Another option is Rollei Retro 100. I'm foggy on the details, but I think this is a film based on the APX 100 formula but manufactured elsewhere on a different base. It's a new product, and I'm not sure where you might find it (if it's even available in quantity yet; I think it might still be in "beta testing," to borrow a phrase from the computer world).
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Jan T - 12 Dec 2005 19:51 GMT | There's also Calbe R09,| | They're out of stock at the moment, maybe because Adox took over and called it APH09...?
Rod Smith - 12 Dec 2005 23:14 GMT >| There's also Calbe R09,| >| They're out of stock at the moment, > > maybe because Adox took over and called it APH09...? I doubt if there's any "because" at work here. J&C simply ran out of Calbe R09 when the big rush on it and Rodinal began after Agfa announced it'd fold. On APUG, J&C claims more is on the way. Whether it'll be branded "Calbe R09" or "Adox APH09" I don't know.
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Lloyd Erlick - 13 Dec 2005 17:55 GMT On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:14:39 -0000, rodsmith@nessus.rodsbooks.com (Rod Smith) wrote:
>when the big rush on it and Rodinal began ... December 13, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
Now that 'everyone' has switched to digital and 'no one' is developing film or making prints in a darkroom, I wonder just who it might be buying up all that stuff?
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 13 Dec 2005 20:49 GMT > Now that 'everyone' has switched to digital > and 'no one' is developing film or making > prints in a darkroom, I wonder just who it > might be buying up all that stuff? Owt the world's queer except for me and thee, and even thee's a little bit queer.
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UC - 12 Dec 2005 14:10 GMT > My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks FP4 in Acutol, Delta 100 in FX-39, Acros in Acutol or FX-39
Both developers have better properties, but oxidize as most others do.
Any of these combos absolutely trounce APX100 in Rodinal.
Jan T - 12 Dec 2005 19:41 GMT UC, maybe you're right, maybe not, but anyway, let's respect other people's taste, be it good or bad. In case somebody really likes the look of APX100 in Rodinal (I liked APX much better in Acutol), and as stated in other posts: 1) Fomapan 100 is very similar to Agfa APX100 2) Adox APH09 (the late Calbe R09) is based on the pre-WWII Rodinal formula.
If you do not wish to mix your own Rodinal (wich is 1-not that much cheaper than buying a ready-made bottle and 2-potentially dangerous if you're not familiar with mixing chemicals!) you can order Adox as well as Foma from www.fotoimpex.de.
BTW: why mixing yourself: if you dilute APH09 1+40 and use this one-shot it only costs 0,07 ? (0,08 $) per film.
Like Rodinal, APH09 is a liquid, has a very long shelf life, is one-shot, creates grain and edge sharpness and wonderful tonality. Acutol does the same + less grain and a bit more filmspeed.
Jan
PS: I have _NO_ interest in promoting above products nor supplier, honestly! I only wish that, when the big fellows quit for the more lucrative digital commerce, ongoing demand for their products can keep the smaller ones up and running. Say amen with me please ;-)
| > My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead. | > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | | Any of these combos absolutely trounce APX100 in Rodinal. UC - 12 Dec 2005 20:05 GMT > Like Rodinal, APH09 is a liquid, has a very long shelf life, is one-shot, > creates grain and edge sharpness and wonderful tonality. Acutol does the > same + less grain and a bit more filmspeed. Yes, so why bother with the inferior Rodinal?
Jan T - 12 Dec 2005 21:05 GMT well, I love coffee, and I'm rather choosey about the brand and the way I make it, but a big plastic mug of cheap hot coffee on the corner of 34th street in NYC at 7am... you don't know what you miss if you never tried it!
| > Like Rodinal, APH09 is a liquid, has a very long shelf life, is one-shot, | > creates grain and edge sharpness and wonderful tonality. Acutol does the | > same + less grain and a bit more filmspeed. | | Yes, so why bother with the inferior Rodinal? Bob Hickey - 15 Dec 2005 19:39 GMT > well, I love coffee, and I'm rather choosey about the brand and the way I > make it, but a big plastic mug of cheap hot coffee on the corner of 34th > street in NYC at 7am... you don't know what you miss if you never tried it! There must be more to it, cause street coffee is the best, but Starbucks is still peddling that $5 sludge. I think it's for people who don't like coffee. Bob Hickey
seog - 16 Dec 2005 04:26 GMT > My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead. > > Can you recomend an alternative? TMX (100), Delta 100 + D23.
Andrew Price - 16 Dec 2005 21:39 GMT >My favourite combo whas apx 100 develop with rodinal. Now agfa is dead. > >Can you recomend an alternative? Fomapan 100 developed in Ilfotec DD-X. Not strictly identical, but similar.
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