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Darkroom Spiders gone wild
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Tom Gardner - 02 Dec 2005 04:10 GMT Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch of space. I don't have bugs so I can't understand how they create something from nothing. Could there be a "darkroom" odor that attracts them like natural gas attracts them to web the furnace orifices? At least I keep the equipment covered and it doesn't need cleaning but it took me 20 minutes with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web. What gives? Any prevention?
Noons - 02 Dec 2005 11:49 GMT Tom Gardner apparently said,on my timestamp of 2/12/2005 3:10 PM:
> with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web. What gives? Any prevention? Camphor balls or those little things they have to scare away silverfish from clothes seems to work for me. But make sure no lens or film-contact surface is exposed, camphor can deposit back and I'm not sure of its effect on other chemicals...
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Gregory Blank - 02 Dec 2005 12:59 GMT > Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a > horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > equipment covered and it doesn't need cleaning but it took me 20 minutes > with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web. What gives? Any prevention? They like dark warm places,.....like the mattress and box springs of your bed :-D
Seriously though even though you think you don't have bugs you probably have some...its a fact. If you had no spiders you would have lots of bugs. I would get some spray after sweeping and vacuuming-and maybe periodically clean in there even if its not being used.
I just tore down my old darkroom, removing cupboards and sinks,....you want spiders? I had a lot I could have given you.
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Lloyd Erlick - 03 Dec 2005 00:01 GMT >get some spray December 2, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
no, please don't spray. At least not toxic substances that will hang around the whole time you are down there. You'll just be spraying yourself in the end.
Spiders eat other bugs. It's illogical to spray spiders. Spiders want nothing to do with you, or your food either, for that matter.
Prey for spiders want moisture and warmth. Some want nice rotten nutrient, too. Cut these inputs and the spider food disappears.
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David Nebenzahl - 03 Dec 2005 00:38 GMT Lloyd Erlick spake thus:
>> get some spray > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Prey for spiders want moisture and warmth. Some want nice rotten > nutrient, too. Cut these inputs and the spider food disappears. Amen to that. Spiders good. The worst that can happen is having to sweep away a web or two now and then. BFD.
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seog - 03 Dec 2005 11:49 GMT > December 2, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Some want nice rotten nutrient, too. Cut > these inputs and the spider food disappears. Yes, they have to be living on something. (One was just dangling in front of my monitor; what a coincidence!) I put boric acid under fridge, under cabinets, under boiler, etc. Works great - I see the staggering victims and insect corpses for months after application. The spider take care of the rest. They are fascinating creatures.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 02 Dec 2005 15:22 GMT "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a > horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch > of space. ... What gives? Any prevention? They have to eat: What was caught in the spider webs or fallen from the webs?
My guess is a dead mouse/rat/chipmunk/etc -> flies -> spiders -> webs.
If you could weave spider web you could make a silk purse from a rat's ear.
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John - 03 Dec 2005 11:59 GMT > If you could weave spider web you could make a silk purse from a > rat's ear. And it would be incredbly strong, water resistant and light weight.
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prep@prep.synonet.com - 05 Dec 2005 15:15 GMT > "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
>> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a >> horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch >> of space. ... What gives? Any prevention?
> They have to eat: What was caught in the spider webs or fallen > from the webs?
> My guess is a dead mouse/rat/chipmunk/etc -> flies -> spiders -> webs. Hypo seem to atract cockroaches for some reason. Not a continer of water for mozzies to breed in about?
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David Nebenzahl - 05 Dec 2005 19:19 GMT prep@prep.synonet.com spake thus:
>> "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Hypo seem to atract cockroaches for some reason. Not a continer of water > for mozzies to breed in about? "Mozzies"? That's a new one by me: wot mean? = "cucarachas"?
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michaeleschuler@yahoo.com - 02 Dec 2005 21:58 GMT Where do you live? I get tons of spiders in my house in the autumn because (I assume) it gets cold and they come inside. I also have no bugs to speak of. I'd venture that spiders put webs up where they're programmed to, not where they see lots of insects congregating. My prevention involves killing every spider I see.
Richard Knoppow - 03 Dec 2005 08:06 GMT > Where do you live? I get tons of spiders in my house in > the autumn [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > congregating. My > prevention involves killing every spider I see. Spiders can also be fun to photograph. See if you have any orb weavers asround although they are a bit out of season now. These are the spiders who build those giant webs, sometimes ten feet across. Many of them build a new one every evening. Do a little research on them, they are interesting creatures.
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Tom Gardner - 03 Dec 2005 18:53 GMT > Where do you live? I get tons of spiders in my house in the autumn > because (I assume) it gets cold and they come inside. I also have no > bugs to speak of. I'd venture that spiders put webs up where they're > programmed to, not where they see lots of insects congregating. My > prevention involves killing every spider I see. Cleveland ...near Nick
Mike King - 03 Dec 2005 08:11 GMT I recently read that human beings and spiders "like" the same things in a place to live and that wherever you go you're never more than two feet from a spider. (I love telling my arachnophobic friends this bit of trivia!)
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> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a > horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > equipment covered and it doesn't need cleaning but it took me 20 minutes > with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web. What gives? Any prevention? Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2005 18:39 GMT > ... wherever you go you're never more than two feet from > a spider. True or not, I have no trouble believing.
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Matt Clara - 03 Dec 2005 12:48 GMT > Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a > horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 20 minutes with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web. What gives? > Any prevention? What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders. ;-)
Here's a little one: http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowPhoto.cfm?PhotoID=39596 They can grow as long as a person's hand, from fingertip to heel.
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Gregory Blank - 03 Dec 2005 13:45 GMT > > Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door. It looks like a set for a > > horror film! These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Here's a little one: http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowPhoto.cfm?PhotoID=39596 > They can grow as long as a person's hand, from fingertip to heel. We call those thousand leggers. But you are apparently are correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_centipede
I like his cousins, truly gruesome :-(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2005 14:52 GMT > > manic spiders produced miles of web > What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders. And some mice to finish off the centipedes. Then some flies to clean up the dead mice. Then some spiders to catch the flies.
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Tom Gardner - 03 Dec 2005 18:57 GMT >> > manic spiders produced miles of web >> What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders. > And some mice to finish off the centipedes. > Then some flies to clean up the dead mice. > Then some spiders to catch the flies. > Fstop timer - http://www.nolindan.com/da/fstop/index.htm THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PITA hanging out in my front yard with torches and pitchforks.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2005 20:07 GMT > THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PETA hanging > out in my front yard with torches and pitchforks. People Eating Tasty Animals
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Gregory Blank - 03 Dec 2005 20:39 GMT > > THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PETA > > hanging [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Tasty > Animals They are only tasty if they are smoked & what better way to smoke them than with a torch and a pitchfork.
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Lloyd Erlick - 05 Dec 2005 17:39 GMT ...
>They are only tasty if they are smoked & what better way to smoke them >than with a torch and a pitchfork. December 5, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
I'm getting smoked just reading this stuff! --le
Lloyd Erlick - 05 Dec 2005 17:38 GMT >>> > manic spiders produced miles of web >>> What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PITA hanging >out in my front yard with torches and pitchforks. December 5, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
Your basement was a whole ecosystem from the beginning. So was your digestive tract, not to mention your hair, skin and eyes.
regards, --le
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John - 07 Dec 2005 07:46 GMT > Your basement was a whole ecosystem from the > beginning. So was your digestive tract, not > to mention your hair, skin and eyes. You fergot the nose !
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Lloyd Erlick - 07 Dec 2005 18:00 GMT >> Your basement was a whole ecosystem from the >> beginning. So was your digestive tract, not >> to mention your hair, skin and eyes. > >You fergot the nose ! December 7, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
I haven't fergot the nose!
Right now my place has a relative humidity of 38 per cent. This is with both my humidifiers running nonstop. Unfortunately the forced air heating system is also running nonstop as the outside temperture drops and wind speed rises.
So my nose is not letting me fergit! Neither are my eyes. Well, don't despair, nice wet colds and flu ahead ...
typical Canadian weather attitude, --le
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Tom Gardner - 08 Dec 2005 00:15 GMT "Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message
> typical Canadian weather attitude, > --le Just think, you can turn on your Christmas lights that are up year-round and double as "Bug" lights in the summer.
Lloyd Erlick - 09 Dec 2005 06:30 GMT >"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Just think, you can turn on your Christmas lights that are up year-round and >double as "Bug" lights in the summer. December 9, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
there are no bugs here. The roads get salted around here, and that kills them, along with my jeans. It is cold and bloody windy eight hundred days per year. Spring will never come. The Christmas lights stay up all the time because they are frozen in. We are going to spend the next six months in darkness. I did portraits of a couple that lost their jobs here, found good jobs at American pay in ATLANTA, GEORGIA and came back -- because they are addicted to car effluent mixed with slush. For those of you in Atlanta, slush is partially frozen water and salt. You can have it mixed with colorful syrup, or all over the roads and your car and your pants and shoes and your home. Global warming can't come soon enough...
so there, --le
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