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Darkroom Spiders gone wild

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Tom Gardner - 02 Dec 2005 04:10 GMT
Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch
of space.  I don't have bugs so I can't understand how they create something
from nothing.  Could there be a "darkroom" odor that attracts them like
natural gas attracts them to web the furnace orifices?  At least I keep the
equipment covered and it doesn't need cleaning but it took me 20 minutes
with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web.  What gives?  Any prevention?
Noons - 02 Dec 2005 11:49 GMT
Tom Gardner apparently said,on my timestamp of 2/12/2005 3:10 PM:

> with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web.  What gives?  Any prevention?

Camphor balls or those little things they have to scare away
silverfish from clothes seems to work for me.  But make
sure no lens or film-contact surface is exposed, camphor can
deposit back and I'm not sure of its effect on other chemicals...

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Gregory Blank - 02 Dec 2005 12:59 GMT
> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
> horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> equipment covered and it doesn't need cleaning but it took me 20 minutes
> with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web.  What gives?  Any prevention?

They like dark warm places,.....like the mattress and box springs of
your  bed :-D

Seriously though even though you think you don't have bugs you probably
have some...its a fact. If you had no spiders you would have lots of
bugs. I would get some spray after sweeping and vacuuming-and maybe
periodically clean in there even if its not being used.

I just tore down my old darkroom, removing cupboards and sinks,....you
want spiders? I had a lot I could have given you.
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Lloyd Erlick - 03 Dec 2005 00:01 GMT
>get some spray

December 2, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

no, please don't spray. At least not toxic
substances that will hang around the whole
time you are down there. You'll just be
spraying yourself in the end.

Spiders eat other bugs. It's illogical to
spray spiders. Spiders want nothing to do
with you, or your food either, for that
matter.

Prey for spiders want moisture and warmth.
Some want nice rotten nutrient, too. Cut
these inputs and the spider food disappears.

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David Nebenzahl - 03 Dec 2005 00:38 GMT
Lloyd Erlick spake thus:

>> get some spray
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Prey for spiders want moisture and warmth. Some want nice rotten
> nutrient, too. Cut these inputs and the spider food disappears.

Amen to that. Spiders good. The worst that can happen is having to sweep
away a web or two now and then. BFD.

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seog - 03 Dec 2005 11:49 GMT
> December 2, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Some want nice rotten nutrient, too. Cut
> these inputs and the spider food disappears.

Yes, they have to be living on something. (One was just dangling in front of
my monitor; what a coincidence!) I put boric acid under fridge, under
cabinets, under boiler, etc. Works great - I see the staggering victims and
insect corpses for months after application. The spider take care of the
rest. They are fascinating creatures.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 02 Dec 2005 15:22 GMT
"Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote

> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
> horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch
> of space. ... What gives?  Any prevention?

They have to eat: What was caught in the spider webs or fallen
from the webs?

My guess is a dead mouse/rat/chipmunk/etc -> flies -> spiders -> webs.

If you could weave spider web you could make a silk purse from a
rat's ear.

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John - 03 Dec 2005 11:59 GMT
> If you could weave spider web you could make a silk purse from a
> rat's ear.

And it would be incredbly strong, water resistant and light weight.

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prep@prep.synonet.com - 05 Dec 2005 15:15 GMT
> "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote

>> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
>> horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch
>> of space. ... What gives?  Any prevention?

> They have to eat: What was caught in the spider webs or fallen
> from the webs?

> My guess is a dead mouse/rat/chipmunk/etc -> flies -> spiders -> webs.

Hypo seem to atract cockroaches for some reason. Not a continer of water
for mozzies to breed in about?

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David Nebenzahl - 05 Dec 2005 19:19 GMT
prep@prep.synonet.com spake thus:

>> "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Hypo seem to atract cockroaches for some reason. Not a continer of water
> for mozzies to breed in about?

"Mozzies"? That's a new one by me: wot mean? = "cucarachas"?

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* Brumaire (from French brume, "mist") Starting Oct 22, 23 or 24
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* Nivôse (from Latin nivosus, "snowy") Starting Dec 21, 22 or 23
* Pluviôse (from Latin pluviosus, "rainy") Starting Jan 20, 21 or 22
* Ventôse (from Latin ventosus, "windy") Starting Feb 19, 20 or 21
* Germinal (from Latin germen, "seed") Starting Mar 20 or 21
* Floréal (from Latin flor, "flower") Starting Apr 20 or 21
* Prairial (from French prairie, "meadow") Starting May 20 or 21
* Messidor (from Latin messis, "harvest") Starting Jun 19 or 20
* Thermidor (from Greek thermos, "hot") Starting Jul 19 or 20
* Fructidor (from Latin fructus, "fruits") Starting Aug 18 or 19

michaeleschuler@yahoo.com - 02 Dec 2005 21:58 GMT
Where do you live?  I get tons of spiders in my house in the autumn
because (I assume) it gets cold and they come inside.  I also have no
bugs to speak of.  I'd venture that spiders put webs up where they're
programmed to, not where they see lots of insects congregating.  My
prevention involves killing every spider I see.
Richard Knoppow - 03 Dec 2005 08:06 GMT
> Where do you live?  I get tons of spiders in my house in
> the autumn
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> congregating.  My
> prevention involves killing every spider I see.

 Spiders can also be fun to photograph. See if you have any
orb weavers asround although they are a bit out of season
now. These are the spiders who build those giant webs,
sometimes ten feet across. Many of them build a new one
every evening.  Do a little research on them, they are
interesting creatures.

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Tom Gardner - 03 Dec 2005 18:53 GMT
> Where do you live?  I get tons of spiders in my house in the autumn
> because (I assume) it gets cold and they come inside.  I also have no
> bugs to speak of.  I'd venture that spiders put webs up where they're
> programmed to, not where they see lots of insects congregating.  My
> prevention involves killing every spider I see.

Cleveland ...near Nick
Mike King - 03 Dec 2005 08:11 GMT
I recently read that human beings and spiders "like" the same things in a
place to live and that wherever you go you're never more than two feet from
a spider.  (I love telling my arachnophobic friends this bit of trivia!)

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> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
> horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic inch
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> equipment covered and it doesn't need cleaning but it took me 20 minutes
> with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web.  What gives?  Any prevention?
Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2005 18:39 GMT
> ... wherever you go you're never more than two feet from
> a spider.

True or not, I have no trouble believing.

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Matt Clara - 03 Dec 2005 12:48 GMT
> Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
> horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 20 minutes with a duster to gather up a huge ball of web.  What gives?
> Any prevention?

What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders.
;-)

Here's a little one: http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowPhoto.cfm?PhotoID=39596 
They can grow as long as a person's hand, from fingertip to heel.

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Gregory Blank - 03 Dec 2005 13:45 GMT
> > Ok, it's been 2 months since I opened the door.  It looks like a set for a
> > horror film!  These manic spiders produced miles of web in every cubic
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Here's a little one: http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowPhoto.cfm?PhotoID=39596 
> They can grow as long as a person's hand, from fingertip to heel.

We call those thousand leggers. But you are apparently are correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_centipede

I like his cousins, truly gruesome :-(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2005 14:52 GMT
> > manic spiders produced miles of web
> What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders.
And some mice to finish off the centipedes.
Then some flies to clean up the dead mice.
Then some spiders to catch the flies.

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Tom Gardner - 03 Dec 2005 18:57 GMT
>> > manic spiders produced miles of web
>> What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders.
> And some mice to finish off the centipedes.
> Then some flies to clean up the dead mice.
> Then some spiders to catch the flies.
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THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PITA hanging
out in my front yard with torches and pitchforks.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2005 20:07 GMT
> THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PETA hanging
> out in my front yard with torches and pitchforks.

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

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Gregory Blank - 03 Dec 2005 20:39 GMT
> > THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PETA
> > hanging
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Tasty
> Animals

They are only tasty if they are smoked & what better way to smoke them
than with a torch and a pitchfork.
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Lloyd Erlick - 05 Dec 2005 17:39 GMT
...
>They are only tasty if they are smoked & what better way to smoke them
>than with a torch and a pitchfork.

December 5, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

I'm getting smoked just reading this stuff!
--le
Lloyd Erlick - 05 Dec 2005 17:38 GMT
>>> > manic spiders produced miles of web
>>> What you need are some nice house centipedes--they eat spiders.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>THANKS, now I have a whole ecosystem in my friggin basement and PITA hanging
>out in my front yard with torches and pitchforks.

December 5, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

Your basement was a whole ecosystem from the
beginning. So was your digestive tract, not
to mention your hair, skin and eyes.

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John - 07 Dec 2005 07:46 GMT
> Your basement was a whole ecosystem from the
> beginning. So was your digestive tract, not
> to mention your hair, skin and eyes.

You fergot the nose !

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Lloyd Erlick - 07 Dec 2005 18:00 GMT
>> Your basement was a whole ecosystem from the
>> beginning. So was your digestive tract, not
>> to mention your hair, skin and eyes.
>
>You fergot the nose !

December 7, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

I haven't fergot the nose!

Right now my place has a relative humidity of
38 per cent. This is with both my humidifiers
running nonstop. Unfortunately the forced air
heating system is also running nonstop as the
outside temperture drops and wind speed
rises.

So my nose is not letting me fergit! Neither
are my eyes. Well, don't despair, nice wet
colds and flu ahead ...

typical Canadian weather attitude,
--le

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Tom Gardner - 08 Dec 2005 00:15 GMT
"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message

> typical Canadian weather attitude,
> --le

Just think, you can turn on your Christmas lights that are up year-round and
double as "Bug" lights in the summer.
Lloyd Erlick - 09 Dec 2005 06:30 GMT
>"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Just think, you can turn on your Christmas lights that are up year-round and
>double as "Bug" lights in the summer.

December 9, 2005, from Lloyd Erlick,

there are no bugs here. The roads get salted
around here, and that kills them, along with
my jeans. It is cold and bloody windy eight
hundred days per year. Spring will never
come. The Christmas lights stay up all the
time because they are frozen in. We are going
to spend the next six months in darkness. I
did portraits of a couple that lost their
jobs here, found good jobs at American pay in
ATLANTA, GEORGIA and came back -- because
they are addicted to car effluent mixed with
slush. For those of you in Atlanta, slush is
partially frozen water and salt. You can have
it mixed with colorful syrup, or all over the
roads and your car and your pants and shoes
and your home. Global warming can't come soon
enough...

so there,
--le
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