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UC - 16 Nov 2005 00:07 GMT
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Grade 2 or 3?

"Variable contrast (grade 2 or 3 without or with neutral filter, please
choose your default grade)"

So, unlike all other VC papers, you can start from grade 2 OR grade 3?
Alan Smithee - 16 Nov 2005 00:53 GMT
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> Grade 2 or 3?
>
> "Variable contrast (grade 2 or 3 without or with neutral filter,
> please choose your default grade)"
>
> So, unlike all other VC papers, you can start from grade 2 OR grade 3?

It's two different papers.
Richard Knoppow - 16 Nov 2005 02:05 GMT
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>>
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>
> It's two different papers.

   Very interesting that Fuji is making graded bromide
paper. I wonder if its available in the US. Fuji seems to
make very good film and color paper so, if this stuff is
really available it would be welcome.

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dan.c.quinn@att.net - 16 Nov 2005 03:57 GMT
> >     www.unicircuits.com
>
>     Very interesting that Fuji is making graded bromide
> paper. I wonder if its available in the US. Fuji seems to
> make very good film and color paper so, if this stuff is
> really available it would be welcome.

 Graded Single Weight at that. Many currencies.
 I'd say they ship WW. Dan
gaganbo - 16 Nov 2005 09:19 GMT
Rembrandt V is also available in double weight.

The G2 (double weight) and F2 (single weight) versions have an ISO
contrast range
from R160 (with a #00 filter) to R70 (with a #5 filter). With no
filter, the range is R125,
or equal to grade 2.

The G3 (double weight) and F3 (single weight) versions have an ISO
contrast range
from R125 (with a #00 filter) to R65 (with a #5 filter). With no
filter, the range is R105,
or equal to grade 3.

The G3/F3 version is apparently intended for photographers who prefer a
thinner,
low contrast negative as their standard.  With the #2 filter, you get
approximately
grade 3 contrast. With the #5 filter, the contrast is slightly higher
than the F2/G2
version. The main benefit is that the upper grades are more closely
spaced with
the G3/F3 than the G2/F2. But the latter has better low contrast
performance.

The ISO speed is P640 for both, no filter. P320 for filters 00 to 3.5,
P160 for
filters 4 and 4.5, and P125 for filter 5.

Both G and F come only in glossy FB surfaces. The SW paper apparently
has
a brighter base than the DW, according to Fuji. But I've never seen an
example
of the SW version or seen it for sale in Tokyo.

To my eyes, Rembrandt V G2/G3 resembles the old Ilford Galerie (not the
current
product) but with a more neutral tone and cooler base.
UC - 16 Nov 2005 14:15 GMT
So, since my 'normal' grade is Galerie 3, I would use the G3 or F3
version? Sounds very interesting!

These are definitely VC papers, right?

> Rembrandt V is also available in double weight.
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> current
> product) but with a more neutral tone and cooler base.
dan.c.quinn@att.net - 16 Nov 2005 22:59 GMT
> So, since my 'normal' grade is Galerie 3, I would use
> the G3 or F3 version? Sounds very interesting!
>
> These are definitely VC papers, right?

 Definitly. Interesting, definitely! I think Fuji should be
commended for stepping forward and admitting, for the
industry as a whole, that VC paper is not what the
the hype would have us believe.
 So now we have Grade 2 and Grade 3 Multi-Grade.
 I'm out of luck. For a short while I had SW Graded paper.
Graded or not they are VC papers and I'm not going to
dim the lights. Dan
UC - 16 Nov 2005 23:03 GMT
So, it's grade 2 plus or minus 1 1/2 grades, or grade 3 plus or minus 1
1/2 grades, right?
If so, I'd prefer the snappier one...

dan.c.qu...@att.net wrote:

> > So, since my 'normal' grade is Galerie 3, I would use
> > the G3 or F3 version? Sounds very interesting!
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> Graded or not they are VC papers and I'm not going to
> dim the lights. Dan
gaganbo - 17 Nov 2005 00:53 GMT
With a #00 filter, the F3/G3 version will be approximately equal to
grade 2. With a #5, about grade 5.5. Half-grade filters are closer to
quarter grade changes in contrast. The  F2/G2 paper has a normal
distribution, from about grade 0 to grade 5.
UC - 16 Nov 2005 14:17 GMT
> http://www.unicircuits.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=86&osCsid=
324647f2fa61e45557102c19c11cf87d

> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>  It's two different papers.

Yes, you start with a grade 2 paper or a grade 3 paper, that's what I
understood them to be saying. Ilford, Kodak, and the others start with
a grade near 2 only.
 
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