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Cheesehead - 12 Nov 2005 15:13 GMT
I did some 4x5 contacts this a.m. with old kodak polyfiber paper.
During drying about half of them turned blue.
Not fixed long enough?

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Collin
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 12 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
> I did some 4x5 contacts this a.m. with old kodak polyfiber paper.
> During drying about half of them turned blue.
> Not fixed long enough?

What parts are blue: image [as opposed to black]; highlights
[as opposed to white]; or paper?

Ferricyanide bleach [aka Farmer's]?  The stuff eventually
forms 'Prussian Blue', as found in artists' paints.  Though
if it wasn't washed out I would think the image would disappear
before the whole mess turned blue.

Blue toner is almost [utterly] impossible to remove from
plastic trays.

Unwashed selenium turns purple-brown-red.

P'Fibre fogs fast, fwiw.  But that's grey.

Anything different about the half of them
that didn't turn blue?

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Richard Knoppow - 13 Nov 2005 23:35 GMT
>I did some 4x5 contacts this a.m. with old kodak polyfiber
>paper.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Collin
> KC8TKA

  This is very odd. Of course, you can see if re-fixing
removes the stain. Sometimes Iron in the water can cause
blue stains but this is usually confined to certain types of
toning.

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yseult - 15 Nov 2005 22:49 GMT
Since it's old paper, it could be the silver oxodizing. Old papers very
often end up with blue prints. Maybe some were exposed to more humidity
than others. Just an idea, but what color blue?
John - 24 Nov 2005 05:07 GMT
> I did some 4x5 contacts this a.m. with old kodak polyfiber paper.
> During drying about half of them turned blue.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Collin
> KC8TKA

Probably not adequately fixed though that usually takes days or even weeks  
to exhibit any real problems. Also it usually runs to a yellow rather than  
blue. Note also that adequately fixed DOES NOT mean that you need to fix  
longer. The fixer may be exhausted or simply compromised.

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Jean-David Beyer - 24 Nov 2005 13:54 GMT
>> I did some 4x5 contacts this a.m. with old kodak polyfiber paper.
>> During drying about half of them turned blue.
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> rather than  blue. Note also that adequately fixed DOES NOT mean that
> you need to fix  longer. The fixer may be exhausted or simply compromised.

When I first started developing B&W paper, I got that with expired Kodak
Rapid Fixer. It was not saturated with silver, but it was way too old. I
used some RC paper or other, and it turned a purplish color in a few days.
Using fresh-mixed fixer eliminated the problem (but I did not try to refix
the bad prints that had no artistic merit anyway).

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