What's the best way to mix, work and store KRST? Does one prepare and keep
it as a working solution from the liquid (say, mix up a litre) or use it one
shot? How long can it keep in the tray? How toxic is it just sitting in the
tray evaporating? Some explanation about when to use what ratio would
probably help me too. I'm toner Agfa RC paper with it. Thx. Oh yeah, latex
gloves are OK or do I need rubber gloves?
Jean-David Beyer - 01 Nov 2005 16:34 GMT
> What's the best way to mix, work and store KRST?
Put the amount of concentrate you wish to use in a beaker and add water
until you get the concentration you want.
> Does one prepare and keep it as a working solution from the liquid (say,
> mix up a litre) or use it one shot?
I mix up a tray full and use it that day, or until it slows down too much.
> How long can it keep in the tray?
I never keep it overnight because it tends to stain plastic trays.
> How toxic is it just sitting in the tray evaporating?
Not very. It says nothing about being poisonous on the label, but I sure
would not drink it. I think 50 to 200 micrograms/day are essential to proper
nutrition, but larger amounts can be toxic.
> Some explanation about when to use what ratio would probably help me too.
It depends on what you want to do. Kodak recommend 1+3 (IIRC), but that is
way too strong for me. I do not normally want a color change, or if I do
(depends on the paper), a very slight one. So, depending on the paper, I mix
up 1+9 or 1+19.
> I'm toner Agfa RC paper with it. Thx. Oh yeah, latex gloves are OK or do
> I need rubber gloves?
I do not know if you need gloves at all. I do not believe Ansel Adams used
gloves, and he did not die of selenium poisoning AFAIK. I use some heavy
black butyl (?) gloves, but they are a bit clumsy. I do not use gloves for
anything else.

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Bill - 10 Nov 2005 02:45 GMT
>> What's the best way to mix, work and store KRST?
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>> I'm toner Agfa RC paper with it. Thx. Oh yeah, latex gloves are OK or do
>> I need rubber gloves?
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> black butyl (?) gloves, but they are a bit clumsy. I do not use gloves for
> anything else.
Ansel may not have used gloves, but his assistant John Sexton does now. I
get my Nitrile (extra large) from Grainger Industrial Supply
(www.grainger.com). You need a company name--they don't sell to people.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 10 Nov 2005 16:12 GMT
> Grainger Industrial Supply (www.grainger.com). You need a company
> name--they don't sell to people.
I think they now sell to individuals. In any case they sell to farmers.
_Everybody_ is a tomato farmer, right? Small crop, I farm about 6 sq ft...

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David Nebenzahl - 11 Nov 2005 01:50 GMT
Bill spake thus:
> Ansel may not have used gloves, but his assistant John Sexton does now. I
> get my Nitrile (extra large) from Grainger Industrial Supply
> (www.grainger.com). You need a company name--they don't sell to people.
BS. I've bought stuff there; just went in, asked for it and paid for it.
No magic.

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 01 Nov 2005 17:14 GMT
> What's the best way to mix, work and store KRST? Does one prepare and keep
> it as a working solution from the liquid (say, mix up a litre) or use it one
> shot?
The working solution keeps, as does the stock -
I don't know if it ever goes 'off', it hasn't
in my lifetime.
> How long can it keep in the tray?
Until evaporation becomes a problem. I found putting
the chemicals away to be easy since I started using
wide-mouth Nalgene bottles and a good funnel.
> How toxic is it just sitting in the tray evaporating?
It doesn't produce 'toxic fumes' though it lets off some ammonia.
Once evaporated it leaves a red powder which, I suppose,
could become airborne and do something/nothing. I always
find red splotches here and there the day after toning and
just wipe it up.
Selenium is nominally poisonous, as are all metals
A little bit of selenium is required for life and is an
ingredient in most vitamin/mineral supplements and also
shows up in dog food. Don't drink the stuff; keep it
out of reach of the South Park crowd -- all the usual
common sense stuff.
> Some explanation about when to use what ratio would
> probably help me too.
SA [Standard Advice] is to use 1:9 for ~1-2 minutes.
Most like to pull the print before it starts to go purple:
put another tray alongside with water and an untoned
print [good use for discards]. Tone until you _just_ see
a color change in the light-greys when looking from one
print to the other. W/O the reference print I find I
invariably tone too much: When I can easily see it
start to go purple it is too late because it has
already turned to a noticeable purple [sorta obvious
logic, no?].
You can tone for as long as you like. Warmtone papers
can develop some really nice colors with selenium: I go
for this really rich/deep chocolate color.
I found time to be unreliable as an indication. Toning
seems sensitive to paper age, paper type, time in the developer,
temperature and other stuff of which there is too much
of to try and keep track.
> I'm toner Agfa RC paper with it.
IRC Agfa RC isn't a good choice for toning, I for sure
don't like the results with Ilford RC. I use Seagull
graded glossy DW. Results were great with Agfa Portiga,
but that is long gone.
> latex gloves are OK or do I need rubber gloves?
I don't use gloves with it, but then I don't have
my hands in it for long periods of time. Tongs are
my instrument of choice if I don't want to get my
hands wet.
For gloves, I like the purple nitrile gloves. I
have difficulty finding them in XL and need to
go to a medical supply store.

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Mike King - 06 Nov 2005 15:50 GMT
If you are just toning for protection and using a dilute solution plan on
one day in the tray. If you are using a stronger mix I used to mix it with
HCA and keep using it until it just quit toning. Last a long time, old labs
that brown toned Ektalure with KRST used to leave the tray in the sink and
just cover it between sessions.

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> What's the best way to mix, work and store KRST? Does one prepare and keep
> it as a working solution from the liquid (say, mix up a litre) or use it one
> shot? How long can it keep in the tray? How toxic is it just sitting in the
> tray evaporating? Some explanation about when to use what ratio would
> probably help me too. I'm toner Agfa RC paper with it. Thx. Oh yeah, latex
> gloves are OK or do I need rubber gloves?