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nobodyman@bigmailbox.net - 01 Nov 2005 08:28 GMT
What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?
Gregory Blank - 01 Nov 2005 12:55 GMT
> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?

PATIENCE :-)

A (000) sable hair brush, Spotone or other retouch
dye the color of the particular color B&W print you have.

A clean cup of water, and dish to dilute the dye,
a good ole paper towel to absorb extra dye from the brush.

Good but not too bright light to work in. Under work the area and build
up to the final density to match the density you desire.

Making a few extra prints of the same shot in case you flub one to the
point the dye won't wash back out completely.

Remembering NOT to try and rewash and fix the final art.

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Alan Smithee - 01 Nov 2005 14:42 GMT
> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?

If you make a mistake with RC paper you can use a bath of Agfa Sistan Image
Stabiliser to "erase" your spot tones -- and then start over.
Jean-David Beyer - 01 Nov 2005 14:49 GMT
> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?

Getting all the dust off the negative prior to exposure of the negative
(preventing black spots) and getting all the dust off the negative prior to
exposure of the print (preventing white spots).

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R.W. Behan - 01 Nov 2005 18:13 GMT
If you use Spot Tone, try a bit of Photo Flo in the solution.

But there's something far superior to Spot Tone, in my experience.  A set of
10 pens, called SpotPen, are much easier to use.  They're pens with very
fine felt tips, and loaded with dye (similar to Spot Tone) of varying
densities, from nearly-white to nearly-black.  First you choose the pen with
the shade of gray that matches the background of your white spots, and then
you use them just like the sable brush--adding dots of dye until the spot
disappears.

Neat, quick, simple, effective--even on RC papers.

Good luck.

Dick Behan

> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?
Gregory Blank - 01 Nov 2005 22:01 GMT
> If you use Spot Tone, try a bit of Photo Flo in the solution.
>
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> Good luck.
> Dick Behan

Do you know if they are said to be archival? That is are they guaranteed
not to discolor within xxx number of years ? Some markers use solvent to
transport the dye and over a fairly short time could become an issue.
Granted anytime you use a dye on a print discoloring can become an issue
but solvent could foment it.

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R.W. Behan - 02 Nov 2005 02:02 GMT
Can't tell you about archival qualities, Greg.  I have some prints that are
probably 5 years old now with no sign of discoloration.  I suspect this
stuff is as permanent as Spot Tone, anyway.

>> If you use Spot Tone, try a bit of Photo Flo in the solution.
>>
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> Granted anytime you use a dye on a print discoloring can become an issue
> but solvent could foment it.
bill - 02 Nov 2005 05:25 GMT
I have prints that I spotted with  these pens .... I cannot even tell where
the spotting took place. They have been hanging for at least 10 years now.
These are easy and simple to use.

bill

> Can't tell you about archival qualities, Greg.  I have some prints that
> are probably 5 years old now with no sign of discoloration.  I suspect
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>> Granted anytime you use a dye on a print discoloring can become an issue
>> but solvent could foment it.
Gregory Blank - 02 Nov 2005 12:41 GMT
> Can't tell you about archival qualities, Greg.  I have some prints that are
> probably 5 years old now with no sign of discoloration.  I suspect this
> stuff is as permanent as Spot Tone, anyway.

It very well could be as long lasting, upon searching I found two
companies make "Spot pen(s)" Marshalls and Tetenal.

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Keith Tapscott - 02 Nov 2005 14:24 GMT
> It very well could be as long lasting, upon searching I found two
> companies make "Spot pen(s)" Marshalls and Tetenal.

I think that Spot Pen (TM) are only marketed by Tetenal & perhaps Marshall.
I`ve got a set that I use occasionally and have not had any problems.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 01 Nov 2005 19:11 GMT
> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?

A 'boom' stereo zoom microscope:

   ebay item 7558542166 [paste # into 'search' field on ebay.com]

Can often be had for $150, less at live auctions.

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Stewy - 05 Nov 2005 02:58 GMT
> > What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?
>
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> To reply, remove spaces: n o lindan at ix  . netcom . com
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What's this got to do with spotting prints.

Make sure you post in the right newsgroups and the replying to a post
instead of this thing sticking out like a sore thumb and making you look
like a real beginner.
seog - 05 Nov 2005 16:44 GMT
>> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?
>
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>
> Can often be had for $150, less at live auctions.

That may be a bit overkill for most jobs.

A fluorescent magnifier lamp might be more appropriate:
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 05 Nov 2005 21:52 GMT
> "Nicholas O. Lindan" <see@sig.com> wrote in message
> > <nobodyman@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
> >> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?
> > A 'boom' stereo zoom microscope:
> That may be a bit overkill for most jobs.

Try it before dismissing it.

> A fluorescent magnifier lamp might be more appropriate:

Small beer.

"Moderation is for monks."  RAH

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Bill - 10 Nov 2005 02:50 GMT
>>> What is the trick (s) for spotting RC paper?
>>
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>
> A fluorescent magnifier lamp might be more appropriate:

Reading glasses from the drug store or Costco of the strongest
magnification (+3 diopters generally) work for me--portable, cheap, and
full stereo  :-)
David Nebenzahl - 15 Nov 2005 02:10 GMT
Bill spake thus:

[snip discussion of various magnifying devices]

> Reading glasses from the drug store or Costco of the strongest
> magnification (+3 diopters generally) work for me--portable, cheap, and
> full stereo  :-)

Don't you have any of those all-Chinese "dollar" stores (everything in
the store is $1) where you are? I buy all my reading glasses there,
including, as you, my 3.00s which I use as magnifiers.

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