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Rex the Strange - 23 Aug 2005 18:11 GMT
What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
"operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?

tia,
rts
Francis A. Miniter - 23 Aug 2005 19:00 GMT
>What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
>"operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?
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>
>  

I use a plastic laundry pail filled with hot water and put the solution
container in that.  I check temperature regularly and shake the solution
container to equalize the temperature within the container and promote
faster transmission of the heat.

Francis A. Miniter
Keith Tapscott - 23 Aug 2005 19:08 GMT
There are probably many methods to control the temperature of
photo-chemicals. One popular device is the Jobo TBE-2 which holds up to
twelve 1 litre size Jobo bottles. This is a very reliable if expensive
option.

> What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?
>
> tia,
> rts
Jean-David Beyer - 23 Aug 2005 19:16 GMT
> What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?

I just drop a small block of radium in there.

But seriously, I process film in a Jobo that heats. In summertime, I stick
one of those permanent ice thingies in the Jobo water jacket until it is
just below the temperature I need. I monitor the developer temperature and
when it is right and then remove the artificial ice. The thermal mass of the
water jacket is enough for the entire process.

The water wash is from my regulator valve which cannot go below the cold
water temperature, so for that I hope for the best on very hot days.

For B&W printing, the processing sink contains the overflow from the washing
sink and the washer, so paper processing is whatever I can get out of the
regulator. 75F autumn, winter, and spring. In hot summers it goes above that.

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Rex the Strange - 23 Aug 2005 19:49 GMT
> > What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> > "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?
> >
> I just drop a small block of radium in there.

Doesn't that affect your pictures? Like put little black dots all over
them? In, like, some weird wave pattern?
Mike King - 23 Aug 2005 20:33 GMT
Just a water bath on those really hot days, most of the time the small air
conditioner in my darkroom keeps me and my chemicals between 65 and 75
degrees F.  So I just process at room temp.
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> > What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> > "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?
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> sink and the washer, so paper processing is whatever I can get out of the
> regulator. 75F autumn, winter, and spring. In hot summers it goes above that.
John - 24 Aug 2005 14:18 GMT
>I just drop a small block of radium in there.

    You're a patient man. I think U238 would work a little better.
U235 is a little too hot IMO.

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 24 Aug 2005 15:34 GMT
> >I just drop a small block of radium in there.
> You're a patient man. I think U238 would work a little better.
> U235 is a little too hot IMO.

Plutonium 238 is the stuff.  It is said to be the deadliest
substance in existence [NPR, so take with sufficient salt],
and used for thermal power reactors in satellites.  We get
it from the Ruskies, but Hanford wants to start making it
again as the Ruskies will only supply it for non-military use.

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Rex the Strange - 24 Aug 2005 16:28 GMT
> > >I just drop a small block of radium in there.
> > You're a patient man. I think U238 would work a little better.
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> it from the Ruskies, but Hanford wants to start making it
> again as the Ruskies will only supply it for non-military use.

Good for the Ruskies
Nicholas O. Lindan - 24 Aug 2005 19:04 GMT
> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

> > Plutonium 238 is the stuff.  It is said to be the deadliest
> > substance in existence [NPR, so take with sufficient salt],
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>
> Good for the Ruskies

Not really:  The US is going to use the stuff no matter what
the Ruskies do.  And so, rather than depleting Russia's
stock pile we are adding to the world supply and dirtying up
Hanford some more [as if that's possible].

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Rex the Strange - 24 Aug 2005 22:04 GMT
> > Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>
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> stock pile we are adding to the world supply and dirtying up
> Hanford some more [as if that's possible].

Huh?

You are aware the Cold War is over, aren't you?
Nicholas O. Lindan - 23 Aug 2005 21:20 GMT
> What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?

More than one way, I use whatever is easiest:

1) I have a couple of jugs of water sitting next to the stock
  solutions so everything is at room temperature, water from
  the jugs is used for wash.

2) Add water of the right temperature when diluting stock: D-76
  @60 mixed 1:1 water @76.  Look out for the thermal mass of the
  graduate and the developing tank.

3) On really cold days I use a heating pad under a tray.  For printing
  the pad stays under the developing tray.  Put a folded towel
  under the pad so the pad heats the tray/liquid rather than the bench.

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Ken Hart - 24 Aug 2005 15:47 GMT
> What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?
>
> tia,
> rts

I made a water bath from parts from an old processor: a tank, a heating
element, and a thermostat.

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dan.c.quinn@att.net - 24 Aug 2005 22:10 GMT
> Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?

 If room temperatures won't do it try a reptile
warming pad or better yet a seed starter pad
under a tray of water. Dan
UC - 24 Aug 2005 22:15 GMT
A) Leave them in a room at the 'normal' (20C/68F) room temperature for
a few hours...

B) Put the bottles in a large vessel with water in it warmer or colder
than the solutions until they are raised or lowered to the correct
temp. Leave the thermometer in the devloper, as it is not necessary to
measure stop bath or fixer temp if all three are kept together in the
same environment. It also risks contamination. When the developer is at
the right temp, begin.

This is so basic, I cannot imagine you have to ask...

> What methods do people recommend for getting chemicals to the correct
> "operating temperature"? Warm bath, on the stove, blowtorch, what?
>
> tia,
> rts
Rex the Strange - 24 Aug 2005 23:28 GMT
> A) Leave them in a room at the 'normal' (20C/68F) room temperature for
> a few hours...
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>
> This is so basic, I cannot imagine you have to ask...

Hey UC, Go piss up a rope.
Frank Pittel - 25 Aug 2005 16:27 GMT
: Hey UC, Go piss up a rope.

Please ignore the troll.

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UC - 25 Aug 2005 17:20 GMT
> > A) Leave them in a room at the 'normal' (20C/68F) room temperature for
> > a few hours...
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>
> Hey UC, Go piss up a rope.

Could anything be simpler than what I described?

By the way, you're not very good at insulting...
 
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