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Question on alternative processing of color film

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cupajoe - 13 Jul 2005 00:40 GMT
Greetings,
I have several (many) expired rolls of color neg and slide film that were
given to me. I was curious if there are any home darkroom techniques to
process this film to obtain a non color negative. I only play with b&w
materials in my darkroom. Also dont want to use panalure paper.
Thanks  
Rod Smith - 13 Jul 2005 03:34 GMT
> I have several (many) expired rolls of color neg and slide film that were
> given to me. I was curious if there are any home darkroom techniques to
> process this film to obtain a non color negative. I only play with b&w
> materials in my darkroom. Also dont want to use panalure paper.

I've heard that C-41 films can be processed in ordinary B&W chemistry to
get B&W papers, but I've not tried this myself. Note that you'll get
B&W negatives with the typical orange cast of C-41 films, and of course
the results aren't likely to be very high quality, but if you just want to
play around with the effect, go for it. I don't happen to know any
suggested developer/time combinations.

I'm less sure about color slide films, but I do vaguely recall hearing
about people developing Kodachrome in B&W chemistry.

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Gregory Blank - 13 Jul 2005 03:46 GMT
> Greetings,
> I have several (many) expired rolls of color neg and slide film that were
> given to me. I was curious if there are any home darkroom techniques to
> process this film to obtain a non color negative. I only play with b&w
> materials in my darkroom. Also dont want to use panalure paper.
> Thanks  

Yes you can process the negative film as color slide, and the color slide
as  negatives the name for which is cross processing and it yields
somewhat bizarre color shifts and changes. The results can be printed in
the case of color slides to negatives.

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nailer - 13 Jul 2005 10:03 GMT
would it be cost effective?
would it be satisfying artistic experience?

*Greetings,
*I have several (many) expired rolls of color neg and slide film that were
*given to me. I was curious if there are any home darkroom techniques to
*process this film to obtain a non color negative. I only play with b&w
*materials in my darkroom. Also dont want to use panalure paper.
*Thanks  
Ken Hart - 14 Jul 2005 03:47 GMT
> Greetings,
> I have several (many) expired rolls of color neg and slide film that were
> given to me. I was curious if there are any home darkroom techniques to
> process this film to obtain a non color negative. I only play with b&w
> materials in my darkroom. Also dont want to use panalure paper.
> Thanks

Can't address the slide film.

The color neg film can be processed in common B&W chems, however, the orange
mask will cause printing to be difficult at best; the negs will require long
exposure times. Actually, they may print easier on Panalure!

If the film is not too much expired (less than a year and stored in
comfortable or cool temps), I'd use it as intended for non-critical
applications. Or, why not use this as a opportunity to explore C-41 (color
neg) processing and RA-4 printing. You will need the chems, color paper, and
a set of color correction filters for your enlarger.

Ken Hart
Richard Knoppow - 15 Jul 2005 01:28 GMT
>> Greetings,
>> I have several (many) expired rolls of color neg and
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>
> Ken Hart

 The negatives will print fine on Panalure. I am not sure
why the original poster wants to avoid Panalure. Its
conventional RC paper that is made panchromatic for correct
tone rendering from color negatives. It must be handled in
total darkness or under a color safelight (Kodak number 13)
but otherwise is processed identically to regular RC paper.
 Color films of any type can be developed to B&W negative.
D-76 works fine for this but, of course, there are no
published times, one has to find them experimentally or from
someone else who as found the times. Generally, the tone
rendition will be OK but the images are grainier than the
equivilant dye images would be.
  Color films _are_ B&W silver film with three layers of
emulsion. Each contains a substance, called a color coupler,
which, in conjunction with the reaction products of the
development of the silver image, forms the colored dyes. The
silver image is removed leaving the color dyes in place.
  The orange color of color negative films is due to the
couplers. In two of the layers the couplers are colored.
This forms a low contrast positive mask in normal color
development. The color is correct to correct for the
imperfect spectral characteristics of the image dyes. This
results in better color saturation and purity in the
resulting print.  Color reversal films do not use this
system of masking but can have other means of improving
color rendition.
 The problem with the coupler is that there is no simple
way of bleaching it without disturbing the silver image.

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