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Rex the Strange - 16 May 2005 03:51 GMT
Can anyone offer any suggestions on how I can know if my developer is
exhausted. I've been using the same developer for a while now, it's
taken on a black hue and when I poured it out it came with an inky
black residue.

Common sense tells me it's kaput, but it still develops photographs
just fine - giving me clean, sharp pictures. So what gives? How can I
know exactly when it's time to chuck it and mix up a new batch?

tia

rts
Rex the Strange - 16 May 2005 19:59 GMT
Sorry,

I forgot to mention - it's Kodak Dektol paper developer.

rts
Mike King - 18 May 2005 19:06 GMT
I don't recommend reusing paper developers.  What I do is mix a batch of
stock and decant into glass bottles (last batch were soysauce bottle that
hold 20 oz.) The bottle tops are covered with Saran wrap and then the caps
are screwed down.  Stock solution will last a long time using this method.

I dilute the Dektol 1+2 for use and discard at the end of a printing
session.

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> Sorry,
>
> I forgot to mention - it's Kodak Dektol paper developer.
>
> rts
Francis A. Miniter - 17 May 2005 01:57 GMT
> Can anyone offer any suggestions on how I can know if my developer is
> exhausted. I've been using the same developer for a while now, it's
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> rts

It may be developing prints, but it also may not be giving you the blacks that
you could really get from a fresh developer.  Also, if you are recording your
exposure times, it may be messing up your expectations when you go to print the
same negative with fresh developer.

Dektol (D-72) can go yellow and still work ok, but I do notice that my ability
to view it in the tray is diminished.  Black I have not gone to.  Throw it out.
  If you are thinking of the cost, then get some raw chemicals (Metol,
Hydroquinone, sodium sulfite, sodium carbonate and potassium bromide) and you
can make it fresh cheaply any time you want.

Francis A. Miniter
Rex the Strange - 17 May 2005 18:27 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion, however, according to my calculations it's a
lot more expensive  to get the raw ingredients and mix my own (unless
you know of a really good, cheap chemical supplier).
Rex the Strange - 17 May 2005 22:01 GMT
Oops. Bad maths. I take it back. It is much cheaper. I think I will do
that. Thanks, Francis.

rts
Rod Smith - 18 May 2005 00:50 GMT
> Oops. Bad maths. I take it back. It is much cheaper. I think I will do
> that. Thanks, Francis.

FWIW, I put together a spreadsheet recently with various photochemistry
formulae and costs. I put much more effort into this than was really
justified in terms of the potential for identifying cost savings, but I
was curious about it. Anyhow, I got costs of $0.51/tray for
working-strength (1:3) Dektol vs. $0.32/tray for working-strength
home-made D-72. (Each tray is 750ml.) These prices all include
shipping/tax charges for chemistry, which can be a substantial fraction of
the total cost. For the most part, I assumed buying enough chemistry for
about 10-50 batches of a typical formula. If anybody cares, I'm willing to
share my spreadsheet; e-mail me if you're interested. (It's in
OpenOffice.org Calc format, but I can export it as Excel or in various
other formats.)

As a general rule, the best prices I've found on bulk chemicals are at The
Chemistry Store (http://www.chemistrystore.com), but their shipping rates
are high. They're also not primarily a photochemical supplier, so you
can't get stuff like metol or phenidone from them. For that sort of thing,
Digital Truth (http://www.digitaltruth.com/store/rawchemicals.html) or Art
Craft (http://www.artcraftchemicals.com) seem to be the cheapest.
Photographer's Formulary (http://www.photoformulary.com) is an oft-cited
supplier, but aside from a few items others don't carry, they seem to be
pricier than the others. A few items (sodium carbonate, borax, etc.) can
be found in supermarkets or drug stores for far less than the mail-order
suppliers charge. I'd certainly be interested in hearing of other
suppliers, although I personally just went on a chemistry shopping spree
and doubt if I'll be needing anything else for a while. :-)

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dan.c.quinn@att.net - 18 May 2005 23:57 GMT
> Photographer's Formulary (http://www.photoformulary.com)
> is an oft-cited supplier, but aside from a few items
> others don't carry, ...

 "... but aside from a few items ..."  As many as four or
five perhaps? Forty or fifty I think more like it. P. Formulary
is OUR specialist in supplying darkroom chemistry.
 Importantly, they make a point of selling a great majority
of those chemicals in a wide range of quantities;
including SMALL. Dan
dan.c.quinn@att.net - 17 May 2005 22:16 GMT
> Thanks for the suggestion, however, according to my
> calculations it's a lot more expensive  to get the raw
> ingredients and mix my own (unless you know of a really
> good, cheap chemical supplier).

 I've had it go black. Not Dektol though. I compound all
my own chemistry. I'm a minimalist so decided to test a metol
plus alkali only print developer; no preservative. I could'nt
even see the paper under that shallow layer of black,
sludged, solution. Print came out OK. Dan
 
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