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Ilford XP2 in E6 Chemistry

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Graham Fountain - 11 Apr 2005 22:53 GMT
As an experiment I shot a roll of Ilford XP2 Super, and cross processed it
in E6 slide chemistry, to get B&W slides. I shot the roll at EI200.
At 200, they look underexposed - quite dark and muddy. I'd estimate under by
about 1 stop, so if I try this again I'll shoot at 100 (In retrospect, I
should have bracketed or shot part of the roll at 200, part at 100 and part
at 50, slap).
The slides also look quite low in contrast. This could be because of being
underexposed, although it could also be a characteristic of the fact that
they are designed to be shot at 400 and C41 processed. I suspect shooting at
100 or 50 will lower contrast even more, so perhaps I should be shooting at
200 or 400, and giving them a 1 or 2 stop push in the first development.
Since the aim is black & white slides, the higher contrast gained by push
processing would probably look more attractive. I also considered the
possibility of using regular B&W chem for the first developer instead of E6
chem, this would require considerable experimentation for times.
Finally, the dyes ilford use aren't black, so what I actually have are
bluish-green tinted images.
Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of 24 a
rather expensive one - more expensive than regular slide film, and far more
expensive than regular B&W - I don't think I'll bother again, I'll stick to
colour slides and B&W negs.
Nick Zentena - 11 Apr 2005 22:57 GMT
In rec.photo.darkroom Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:

> Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of 24 a
> rather expensive one - more expensive than regular slide film, and far more
> expensive than regular B&W - I don't think I'll bother again, I'll stick to
> colour slides and B&W negs.

 If you want B&W slides why not just use B&W silver film and process for
slides?

      Nick
Graham Fountain - 12 Apr 2005 05:34 GMT
> In rec.photo.darkroom Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:
>
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>  If you want B&W slides why not just use B&W silver film and process for
> slides?
I know agfa make a film specifically for B&W slides, and kodak have a
reversal kit for regular films. trouble is, I haven't been able to find a
source for them here in oz. that's why I experimented with cross-processing
the XP2

>       Nick
Nick Zentena - 12 Apr 2005 11:07 GMT
In rec.photo.darkroom Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:

> I know agfa make a film specifically for B&W slides, and kodak have a
> reversal kit for regular films. trouble is, I haven't been able to find a
> source for them here in oz. that's why I experimented with cross-processing
> the XP2

 You can mix your own reversal chemicals. Check the Ilford website for
thier formulas. Or various sites on the web. For example this one.

http://www.raycochemicals.f9.co.uk/B&W%20Developers.htm#Slide%20Developers.

Nick
Sander Vesik - 12 Apr 2005 14:54 GMT
In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:

> > In rec.photo.darkroom Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:
> >
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> source for them here in oz. that's why I experimented with cross-processing
> the XP2

Provided Oz is still australia, look here - http://www.iconcom.com.au

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Rod Smith - 12 Apr 2005 00:08 GMT
> As an experiment I shot a roll of Ilford XP2 Super, and cross processed it
> in E6 slide chemistry, to get B&W slides.

Interesting experiment.

> Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of 24 a
> rather expensive one

$10 for 24 exposures?! If you're in the US, you can get it A LOT cheaper
than that. B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com) has 24-exposure rolls of XP2
for $2.99, or 36-exposure rolls for $3.49. Of course, you'll pay shipping
unless you happen to be local to them and want to go get it in person, but
if you're ordering several rolls and/or other stuff in addition to film,
shipping shouldn't be unreasonable.

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Graham Fountain - 12 Apr 2005 05:33 GMT
>> As an experiment I shot a roll of Ilford XP2 Super, and cross processed
>> it
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>
> $10 for 24 exposures?! If you're in the US, you can get it A LOT cheaper
Nope - Australia. If I was shooting a lot of it, I'd probably import from
b&h, but for once off's, that's the price to pay :-(
> than that. B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com) has 24-exposure rolls of XP2
> for $2.99, or 36-exposure rolls for $3.49. Of course, you'll pay shipping
> unless you happen to be local to them and want to go get it in person, but
> if you're ordering several rolls and/or other stuff in addition to film,
> shipping shouldn't be unreasonable.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 12 Apr 2005 14:58 GMT
> "Graham Fountain" <ask@and.find.out> writes:

> > [In Oz] $10 for a roll of 24 [XP2]
> $10 for 24 exposures?! If you're in the US ... B&H ...$2.99

The exchange rate for US/AU is ~.76, and so it is $7.60 a roll
down under.  Not that far off the American spot market.

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John - 12 Apr 2005 22:40 GMT
>> > [In Oz] $10 for a roll of 24 [XP2]
>> $10 for 24 exposures?! If you're in the US ... B&H ...$2.99
>
>The exchange rate for US/AU is ~.76, and so it is $7.60 a roll
>down under.  Not that far off the American spot market.

    Gee and I didn't think the American dollar was worth anything !

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thigmo - 12 Apr 2005 00:30 GMT
> As an experiment I shot a roll of Ilford XP2 Super, and cross processed
> it in E6 slide chemistry, to get B&W slides. I shot the roll at
EI200.
> At 200, they look underexposed - quite dark and muddy. I'd estimate
> under by about 1 stop, so if I try this again I'll shoot at 100
(In
> retrospect, I should have bracketed or shot part of the roll at
200,
> part at 100 and part at 50, slap).
> The slides also look quite low in contrast. This could be because of
> being underexposed, although it could also be a characteristic
of the
> fact that they are designed to be shot at 400 and C41 processed.
I
> suspect shooting at 100 or 50 will lower contrast even more, so
perhaps
> I should be shooting at 200 or 400, and giving them a 1 or 2
stop push
> in the first development. Since the aim is black & white slides,
the
> higher contrast gained by push processing would probably look
more
> attractive. I also considered the possibility of using regular
B&W chem
> for the first developer instead of E6 chem, this would require
> considerable experimentation for times. Finally, the dyes ilford
use
> aren't black, so what I actually have are bluish-green tinted
images.
> Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of
> 24 a rather expensive one - more expensive than regular slide
film, and
> far more expensive than regular B&W - I don't think I'll bother
again,
> I'll stick to colour slides and B&W negs.

Yes, I've tried this too, but perhaps with more success than what
you've
described.  I rated the film normally (at 400) and when developed
in E6,
the film did have that blue-green tint, and rather dark too.  It's
NOT
underexposed though, not in a traditional sense.  What I then did
was ask
the lab to print them as colour negs (not positives), and you get
some
cool looking shots (albeit in negative format), at least on a Fuji
Frontier.  The resulting prints have high contrast, yet still good
highlight detail (since that would be the "shadow" area of the
positive,
printed as negative) and look almost pink-metallic in some shots.  
In
others with lots of texture, the resulting textures look almost as
if the
dye had bled a little into surrounding detail, looking as if you
could use
3D glasses to properly see the image (with both pink and blue-
green hues).

You might want to experiment a little more before you trash the
cool shots
you might have.  Good luck.

thigmo
Sander Vesik - 12 Apr 2005 07:52 GMT
In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:
> Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of 24 a
> rather expensive one - more expensive than regular slide film, and far more
> expensive than regular B&W - I don't think I'll bother again, I'll stick to
> colour slides and B&W negs.

Have you looked at what shooting and processing of Agfa Scala would
cost wherever you are? Because that would giev you B&W slides without
teh blue/green problems.

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s crinks - 12 Apr 2005 10:49 GMT
> In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:
>
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> cost wherever you are? Because that would giev you B&W slides without
> teh blue/green problems.

There's also dr5.  www.dr5.com

They take international orders I think.

Simon.
Michael Weinstein - 13 Apr 2005 03:19 GMT
> In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> wrote:
>> Conclusion - it was an interesting experiment, but at $10 for a roll of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> cost wherever you are? Because that would giev you B&W slides without
> teh blue/green problems.

Scala is a beautiful film.
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