> bath. After that, I can turn on the lights. Using drums for RA-4 is just
> a colossal waste of time. I might have some sympathy for the relatively
> expensive Jobo processors; allegedly they could speed up mass production
> printing, but not having had any direct experience with them, I can't
> say.
>> bath. After that, I can turn on the lights. Using drums for RA-4 is just
>> a colossal waste of time. I might have some sympathy for the relatively
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> Considering I can run 4 8x10s or 2 11x14s at the same time and I'll bet
>each step is quicker at normal RA-4 temps I can't see how you're saving time.
How long does it take to dry the drum? When I used drums, drying the
things really slowed me down. With trays, the total wet time for a
print is 7 minutes. Plus, the only time I'd want to process more than
one at a time is if they were from the same negative. besides, when
I'm enjoying myself, time isn't a factor.
> Maintaining RA-4 temps is trival. Requires very little equipment. The
>drums use almost no chemistry.
Room temperature requires no tempering. I can get 100 8x10's from a
2.5 liter Jobo kit.
> A set of trays big enough to handle 16x20 [my biggest drum] would cost
>more then I spent on a tempering setup.
How much did the 16x20 drum cost?
I got 4 used 16x20 trays for 30 bucks.
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Nick Zentena - 21 Mar 2005 00:59 GMT
> How long does it take to dry the drum? When I used drums, drying the
> things really slowed me down. With trays, the total wet time for a
> print is 7 minutes. Plus, the only time I'd want to process more than
> one at a time is if they were from the same negative. besides, when
> I'm enjoying myself, time isn't a factor.
The wet drum sits in the sink drip drying. When I run out of dry drums the
wet drum gets wiped down with a paper towel. Takes maybe 10 seconds? It's
not an issue for me.
> Room temperature requires no tempering. I can get 100 8x10's from a
> 2.5 liter Jobo kit.
What does that cost? IIRC room temp kits cost more then the higher temp
RA-4 chemicals. If they do you're trading the one time cost for tempering to
an ongoing cost. I'm also able to only mix up 250ml of developer at a time
which I think allows the whole kit to last longer.
> How much did the 16x20 drum cost?
>
> I got 4 used 16x20 trays for 30 bucks.
If I remember right only one of my 16x20 drums started out that way. The
other one is an 8x10 bottom with the extension off a 11x14 drum. Cost? The
most I've paid was about $60 for two 11x14 and one 8x10 drum. The 16x20 drum
was maybe 1/2 that. Normally I take the extension off it and use the bottom
for 8x10. Stick the extension on a extra bottom I have so it turns into an
11x14 drum.
Nick
David Starr - 21 Mar 2005 23:59 GMT
>> How long does it take to dry the drum? When I used drums, drying the
>> things really slowed me down. With trays, the total wet time for a
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>wet drum gets wiped down with a paper towel. Takes maybe 10 seconds? It's
>not an issue for me.
Ahh. I only had one drum.
>> Room temperature requires no tempering. I can get 100 8x10's from a
>> 2.5 liter Jobo kit.
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>an ongoing cost. I'm also able to only mix up 250ml of developer at a time
>which I think allows the whole kit to last longer.
29.00 for the 2.5L kit.
>> How much did the 16x20 drum cost?
>>
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>for 8x10. Stick the extension on a extra bottom I have so it turns into an
>11x14 drum.
very creative. Thanks for the response.
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Claudio Bonavolta - 24 Mar 2005 12:20 GMT
David Starr a écrit :
> Room temperature requires no tempering. I can get 100 8x10's from a
> 2.5 liter Jobo kit.
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Is it the Tetenal kit ?
I've had really unsatisfactory results with the Tetenal one (too
contrasty, bad colors, etc ...) and Kodak Supra Endura paper.
Next kit will be high temp one ...
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