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Techpan in C41: Anyone reversed it?

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techpan3d - 07 Mar 2005 19:44 GMT
I have been using techpan as a reversal film for many years. I recently
learned that some people where usung it as a neg using flexicolor first
developer to reduce contrast. Has anyone hear tried this for reversal
techpan? I also saw a post somewhere that to use this developer for
negs, the flexicolor developer is "unaltered". My assumption is that
the concentrate is mixed as per regular colour neg processing and NOT
the direct concentrate. Is this correct?

Thanks,

Sam
John - 08 Mar 2005 01:41 GMT
>I have been using techpan as a reversal film for many years. I recently
>learned that some people where usung it as a neg using flexicolor first
>developer to reduce contrast. Has anyone hear tried this for reversal
>techpan?

    I doubt it will work. Usually reversing a film requires a
stronger than normal developer. C-41 uses PPD derivatives that aren't
particularly aggressive.Perhaps if you added a little hydroxide and
flashed the film during the development but I'm not at all sure how
this would work.

Regards,

  John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.puresilver.org
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Ken Hart - 08 Mar 2005 02:28 GMT
> I have been using techpan as a reversal film for many years. I recently
> learned that some people where usung it as a neg using flexicolor first
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> Sam

I've never tried Techpan in C-41 developer, but I tried some Tri-X (120
size) once. My goal at the time was to elimate some chemicals from my
darkroom, and I use far more C-41 and RA-4 than B&W. I used the time and
temp for d76. The result was a fairly low contrast neg, probably would have
required 2 full grades higher contrast paper than if I had used D-76, but
for Techpan this would be desireable, no?

(BTW, the C-41 fixer works just fine, and the Stabilizer seems to be OK as a
sub for PhotoFlo. I imagine the Bleach would do a good job of completely
ruining the B&W neg!)

As for mixing the concentrate: the Flexicolor C-41 developer I buy is
supplied in 3 parts to be mixed with water. The 3.5 gallon size kit has
about 32 ounces of part 'A' and four ounces of parts 'B' & 'C' to be mixed
with three gallons of water. I don't know of any other mixing dilution
method.

Isn't this however a moot point? Techpan is no more, right?

Ken Hart
Richard Knoppow - 09 Mar 2005 06:00 GMT
>> I have been using techpan as a reversal film for many
>> years. I recently
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> Ken Hart

  Of course, increasing the development time would increase
the contrast. For 2 paper grades the time would be increased
about 3 times.
  Even though Tech Pan is discontinued there are other high
contrast or copy or microfilm materials that might work OK
for extra-fine-grain pictorial work in a developer like
this. Its useful to know that it works as a very low
contrast developer for conventional B&W films.

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Richard Knoppow - 09 Mar 2005 06:07 GMT
>I have been using techpan as a reversal film for many
>years. I recently
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> Sam

  I think you have to try it. Reversal films need to be
developed to higher contrast than negative films. Since Tech
Pan and similar high contrast microfilm materials are
inherently high contrast this is, at least, possible.
  Reversal first developers for B&W usually have a small
amount of a halide solvent in them. Some use hypo, others
use sodium thiocyanate, a more powerful solvent. The purpose
is to remove very insensitive halide particals which
otherwise will be redeveloped in the reversal developer and
veil the highlights. The amount of this solvent must be
determined by experiment.

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