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Getting emulsion off film

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Captain Blammo - 19 Feb 2005 03:15 GMT
I was just wondering if it is possible to get emulsion off film and use it
to make transfers of any sort. I've got access to some very cheap ortho film
in huge sheets, so it would work out far cheaper than using polaroid.

Thanks for any help

CB
Mike King - 19 Feb 2005 15:42 GMT
Polaroid transfers move dye from the color negative to another substrate,
usually watercolor papers like Arches.  You may be able to use the ortho
like a dye matrix film to soak up dye and then subsequently move the dye to
another substrate but that would require three images in three colors to get
a full color transfer and registration pins to get all the images in
register.  I'll be fascinated to hear about your results, sounds like fun.

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> I was just wondering if it is possible to get emulsion off film and use it
> to make transfers of any sort. I've got access to some very cheap ortho film
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Jean-David Beyer - 19 Feb 2005 16:13 GMT
> I was just wondering if it is possible to get emulsion off film and use
> it to make transfers of any sort. I've got access to some very cheap
> ortho film in huge sheets, so it would work out far cheaper than using
> polaroid.

To stip an "emulsion" from a glass plate, the emulsion must be hardened
first. Perhaps modern film emulsions are sufficiently hardened already, or
a hardening fixing bath may suffice.

Cut through the emulsion all the way to the glass near the edge with a
scalpel or razor blade. Soak in a 1% solution of hydroflouric acid that
will dissolve the glass slightly, freeing the emulsion from it. I am not
sure if this would work with plastic bases.

Another approach is to soak the negative in the following bath for at
least 1/2 hour:

Sodium carbonate, anhydrous   30 to 40 gram
Formalin                            50 ml
Glycerine                           10 ml
Water to                             1 litre

After soaking, blot of the surface without rinsing and let dry completely.
If the emulsion then does not peel off easily, place it in a 5% solution
of hydrochloric acid. The effervescence should detach it.

A final method might be to soak the negaiver for 10 to 15 minutes in a
saturated solution of potassium carbonate to which 5% of potassium
hydroxide has been dissolved. Dry the negative between blotters, polish
with a soft cloth, and cut around the part required. Lift from one corner
with a pen knife.

You might also consider starting with a film intended for stripping, if
there are any made anymore.

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Captain Blammo - 25 Feb 2005 00:18 GMT
Marvellous, thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try!

CB

> > I was just wondering if it is possible to get emulsion off film and use
> > it to make transfers of any sort. I've got access to some very cheap
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> You might also consider starting with a film intended for stripping, if
> there are any made anymore.
 
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