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Dada - 26 Jan 2005 10:18 GMT
Some days ago I was looking to my negatives and I noticed a very
strange thing had happened: one of them, that I developed more then
one year ago, had a green stripe on his higher border. Now, I keep
asking to myself what could be the cause. Maybe a problem with fixer?
I wish someone of you could help me to know how it has happened and
how can I solve this problem to avoid further damges for my negative.
Thank you
Justin Thyme - 26 Jan 2005 11:49 GMT
> Some days ago I was looking to my negatives and I noticed a very
> strange thing had happened: one of them, that I developed more then
> one year ago, had a green stripe on his higher border. Now, I keep
Fuji Colour Negative Film? If so the stripe is meant to be there. There will
also be a red stripe. They are used by Fuji Frontier labs for automatic
colour adjustment.

> asking to myself what could be the cause. Maybe a problem with fixer?
> I wish someone of you could help me to know how it has happened and
> how can I solve this problem to avoid further damges for my negative.
> Thank you
Dada - 26 Jan 2005 13:18 GMT
>> Some days ago I was looking to my negatives and I noticed a very
>> strange thing had happened: one of them, that I developed more then
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>> how can I solve this problem to avoid further damges for my negative.
>> Thank you

Oh, no, sorry. I didn't wrote what kind of negative it is. It is a B&W
Ilford SFX 200, developed in Ilford Ilfosol S. The stripe has appeared
after more then an year, not after the devolpment. It looks like a
chemical reaction. Never happened before.
Richard Knoppow - 26 Jan 2005 13:53 GMT
Presumably, this is 35mm film since SFX200 has only recently become
available in 120 roll film.
If the stripe is at the edge it may be residual anti-halation dye.
If so it will be on the back of the film, not the emulsion side. In
general anti-halation dyes are not removed during processing but are
converted to a colorless form. They can revert to the colored form with
time or under the influence of certain chemicals. It is not unusual for
some residue of anti-halation dye or even unfixed halide to remain at
the edge of the film since the reel of many processing tanks prevents
access of the processing solutions there. If that is what happened here
there is probably no reason to worry about further damage. You can
check for the anti-halation dye by treating a small bit of the film in
a print developer like Dektol. That will decolorize any residual dye.
So should a sulfite wash aid. If the developer treatment works you can
soak the whole film in it for a couple of minutes to decolorize or
remove the dye and wash it for about five minutes to remove the
developer.
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA,  USA
dickburk@ix.netcom.com
Dada - 28 Jan 2005 13:21 GMT
>Presumably, this is 35mm film since SFX200 has only recently become
>available in 120 roll film.
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>remove the dye and wash it for about five minutes to remove the
>developer.
Ok, everything is clear, the only problem is...that the stripe is
right on the emulsion side. However, it looks big as it was two
mounths ago, maybe it will not get larger.
Thanks for help.
Richard Knoppow - 28 Jan 2005 23:33 GMT
>>Presumably, this is 35mm film since SFX200 has only
>>recently become
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> mounths ago, maybe it will not get larger.
> Thanks for help.

   Probably this is unfixed emulsion. Contact with the edge
of the reel can prevent the fixer from contacting the
surface. If the back surface is blocked it can leave
anti-halation dye, if its the front it will leave some
unfixed emulsion. You can test this by treating the film is
fresh fixer in a tray. If its emulsion that was not fixed
out it will be removed. You will have to re-wash the film
after this.
   If its unfixed emulsion it will eventually decompose but
it should not spread. Nonetheless, I think refixing is a
good precaution. If there is a scrap of the film you can
clip off test that in a little fixer to see what happens.
   It is not unusual for the edges of the film in contact
with the reel to be blocked from contact with the processing
solutions.

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Richard Knoppow
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Matt Clara - 31 Jan 2005 16:04 GMT
> Presumably, this is 35mm film since SFX200 has only recently become
> available in 120 roll film.

FYI, B&H wrote me yesterday to say the SFX in 120 has been discontinued...

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Matt Clara
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F.C. Trevor Gale - 21 Mar 2005 16:35 GMT
>>Presumably, this is 35mm film since SFX200 has only recently become
>>available in 120 roll film.
>
> FYI, B&H wrote me yesterday to say the SFX in 120 has been discontinued...

Strange, the Ilford website still has their SFX200 available in 35mm and
in 120 roll formats... I haven't seen any other anouncement about this?

My regards, F.C. Trevor Gale.
 
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