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Kentmere Papers Now Directly Available in USA?
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Ken Nadvornick - 24 Jan 2005 07:49 GMT From the Kentmere USA (under 'About Kentmere') web site at:
http://www.kentmereusa.com
"2005 marks the first time that Kentmere markets its premier line of black and white photographic papers under its own name in the United States: a superb lineup of fiber based papers headed by cold tone graded papers and two variable contrast papers. A fast full toned graded resin-coated paper and a variable contrast paper have great appeal for both beginning photo students and professional labs. Additionally, a fine art product line of unique papers in both glossy and matte surfaces, geared for the alternative processes such as lith printing and hand coloring, round out what is the most complete line of black and white photographic papers now available."
I've long had the urge to try the cold-tone Kentmere Bromide graded papers, but didn't wish to fly to the UK to get it. According to the above Web site, it should now be directly available from Freestyle in April, 2005. Several other papers are claimed to be available as of January, 2005.
(Alas, a check of Freestyle just now showed no search hits for the keyword "Kentmere.")
Ken
Stephan Goldstein - 24 Jan 2005 12:30 GMT >From the Kentmere USA (under 'About Kentmere') web site at: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Ken Aren't Kentmere branded as Luminos in the US?
Steve
Nicholas O. Lindan - 24 Jan 2005 18:49 GMT "Stephan Goldstein" <sg0ldo1867@yahoo.com> wrote "Ken Nadvornick" <register.nadvor@verizon.net> wrote:
> > "2005 marks the first time that Kentmere markets its premier > > line of black and white photographic papers under its own name > > in the United States
> Aren't Kentmere branded as Luminos in the US? The mystery: Is Kentmere rebranded Luminos or is Luminos rebranded Kentmere?
It's been a while, but all the Luminos I ever bought was made in Spain, Hungary, Chekoslovakia etc. The origin would change now and then with no notice on the box that it is really a different paper unless you read the fine print on the bottom.
Luminos is/was the only brand still available in all the old funky surfaces: burlap, silk, crystal matte, really-really matte ... They were high-kitsch when they were available but I miss them now: cream base, brown image, burlap surface.
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jrplatinum - 26 Jan 2005 01:44 GMT Steve,
Luminos had been marketing some of the Kentmere papers in the U.S. Now Luminos is not handling the Kentmere papers. Freestyle Photo is the exclusive Kentmere distributor in the U.S. The first of the product should be available in the next couple of weeks.
John Richardson
Lawrence Akutagawa - 24 Jan 2005 16:37 GMT While visiting the LA area during the past holidays, I dropped by Freestyle to pick up some photo supplies and was told that Freestyle would be offering Kentmere papers late this month (Jan '05). A quick check of the Freestyle website shows no reference to the papers yet. A short email by interested persons to Freestyle's customer service should indicate to the mgt there that they best be quicker than later in making this paper available. The sample prints on this paper that I was shown were awesome indeed!
> From the Kentmere USA (under 'About Kentmere') web site at: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ken jrplatinum - 26 Jan 2005 01:46 GMT Ken,
The Kentmere paper is going through customs as we speak. When we have it in stock depends on the government. Thanks for the great compliments!
John Richardson
Nicholas O. Lindan - 26 Jan 2005 13:00 GMT > The Kentmere paper [is just the same old stuff in a new box > at a higher price.] This group does not take kindly to commercial posts. And your post is in violation of the group charter: so look out, black helicopters are flying to your place as we speak.
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Tom Phillips - 26 Jan 2005 18:15 GMT > > The Kentmere paper [is just the same old stuff in a new box > > at a higher price.] > > This group does not take kindly to commercial posts. And your post is > in violation of the group charter: Seems he just posted some relevant info.
Richard Knoppow - 28 Jan 2005 23:40 GMT >> The Kentmere paper [is just the same old stuff in a new >> box [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > helicopters > are flying to your place as we speak. C'mon Nicholas, this is a representative of a large store replying directly to a question, not an advertisment. Back when Jobo and Ilford used to answer questions here it was considered a service and not advertising. You know I am about as strict on the advertising ban as anyone here.
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Gregory Blank - 29 Jan 2005 01:12 GMT > C'mon Nicholas, this is a representative of a large store > replying directly to a question, not an advertisment. Back > when Jobo and Ilford used to answer questions here it was > considered a service and not advertising. > You know I am about as strict on the advertising ban as > anyone here. I am glad you replied as such, I was leaning towards the same thoughts...thanks for pushing me back towards expressing it.
Its a definite plus that Jobo, and others have contributed here I would like to see those days resume.
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John - 24 Jan 2005 20:18 GMT >From the Kentmere USA (under 'About Kentmere') web site at: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >(Alas, a check of Freestyle just now showed no search hits for the keyword >"Kentmere.") I tried the Freestyle brand and found it acceptable but not particularly great. One concern I have is that the do seem to enjoy bashing Ilford on their site. Another concern is how long will companies import papers to a country whose dollar is persistently declining ?
Just 4 more years .....
Regards,
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Tom Phillips - 24 Jan 2005 23:19 GMT > >From the Kentmere USA (under 'About Kentmere') web site at: > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > companies import papers to a country whose dollar is persistently > declining ? Bashing Ilford? Freestyle? I haven't noticed this.
> Just 4 more years ..... I predict the radical right in congress tries to repeal the 22nd Amendment so Bush can steal another election and continue his world crusade. After all, God has appointed him...
> Regards, > > John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org > Please remove the "_" when replying via email John - 25 Jan 2005 00:28 GMT >Bashing Ilford? Freestyle? I haven't noticed this. > >> Just 4 more years ..... "At a time when other companies are struggling, debt-free Kentmere continues its commitment to fiduciary responsibility, funding all of its product development and expansion out of its considerable cash investments and reserves. The company is not run by disinterested stockholders or banks, but by a dedicated management team that takes a very hands-on approach to pursuing the company's long-term goals."
I don't think that anyone fits that target better than Ilford as they're owned by a bank.
>I predict the radical right in congress tries to >repeal the 22nd Amendment so Bush can steal >another election and continue his world crusade. Yes we all must be freed and impoverished.
>After all, God has appointed him... If that's the case I would have rather had the flood !
The debt is currently just a little over :
Seven thousand six hundred and twenty five BILLION dollars !
Your share is roughly $26,000. Will that be cash, check or Pay Pal ?
Oh BTW, that is NOT tax deductible !
Regards,
John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org Please remove the "_" when replying via email
Tom Phillips - 25 Jan 2005 02:28 GMT > >Bashing Ilford? Freestyle? I haven't noticed this. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I don't think that anyone fits that target better than Ilford > as they're owned by a bank. I think that's basically an interpretation. Really an ad for Kentmere assuring product availability (good marketing) is what I see there.
Freestyle has told me the same about Ilford, that Ilford remains committed to product availability (i.e., Freestyle's Arista brand is Ilford paper and film.)
I don't buy either claim :)
> >I predict the radical right in congress tries to > >repeal the 22nd Amendment so Bush can steal [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If that's the case I would have rather had the flood ! Well! Billy Graham says so! So There! God, don't ya know, is an American and a Republican! Jesus is white...
> The debt is currently just a little over : > > Seven thousand six hundred and twenty five BILLION dollars ! > > Your share is roughly $26,000. Will that be cash, check or Pay > Pal ? From a photographer? Good luck collecting is all I can say ;^)
Gregory Blank - 25 Jan 2005 04:17 GMT > From a photographer? Good luck collecting > is all I can say ;^) Two guys keep me from paying, Smith & E. Weston ;-)
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John - 25 Jan 2005 09:31 GMT >> From a photographer? Good luck collecting >> is all I can say ;^) > >Two guys keep me from paying, Smith & E. Weston ;-) They come to my home and I'm gonna hit them with a Durst 138 !
Regards,
John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org Please remove the "_" when replying via email
Gregory Blank - 25 Jan 2005 04:14 GMT > I predict the radical right in congress tries to > repeal the 22nd Amendment so Bush can steal > another election and continue his world crusade. > > After all, God has appointed him... Be careful with that. You'll get me started, and its not pretty when I get mad. I've been semi mad for four years. Lets just think photo.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 25 Jan 2005 12:18 GMT ... You'll get me started, and its not pretty
>when I get mad. I've been semi mad for four years. Lets just think >photo. Yes, sorry, I feel the same way. It's all too easy to get me started on this. --le
Tom Phillips - 25 Jan 2005 18:23 GMT > > I predict the radical right in congress tries to > > repeal the 22nd Amendment so Bush can steal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Be careful with that. But it was on CNN :-)
> You'll get me started, and its not pretty > when I get mad. I've been semi mad for four years. Lets just think > photo. One has to consider the absurdity of Bush and his so-called mission from God and apply appropriate sardonic humor.
> -- > LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable > to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 25 Jan 2005 20:24 GMT ...
>One has to consider the absurdity of Bush and his >so-called mission from God and apply appropriate >sardonic humor. ...
jan2505 from Lloyd Erlick,
Yes! Sardonic humour is the Canadian way, as a matter of fact.
Sardonic humour doesn't stop the very real effects -- on the whole world -- of additional trillions of dollars of debt.
I'm really not trying to sound the alarm or anything, though. We've all seen this before. I'd just like to understand why no one is saying this out loud. I guess I shouldn't wonder, though, when the revelations of torture and the excesses at that prison in Iraq have not elicited much reaction. Actually, I'm surprised to see myself unsurprised at the lack of reaction. Sardonic giving way to cynical??
regards, --le
Andrew Price - 25 Jan 2005 21:36 GMT [---]
>Sardonic humour doesn't stop the very real effects -- >on the whole world -- of additional trillions of >dollars of debt. I'm glad that I've finished paying off my mortgage.
Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 26 Jan 2005 04:55 GMT >[---] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I'm glad that I've finished paying off my mortgage. jan2505 from Lloyd Erlick,
Do you have children or grand-children?
Nicholas O. Lindan - 26 Jan 2005 13:04 GMT > [Budget, monetary collapse, apocalypse ...] > Do you have children or grand-children? We all inherit our forefathers' screw-ups. It is not going to change, so dance while you can.
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Andrew Price - 26 Jan 2005 19:33 GMT [---]
>>>Sardonic humour doesn't stop the very real effects -- >>>on the whole world -- of additional trillions of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Do you have children or grand-children? No, but I understand the relevance of your question. Accession to property may become very much more difficult for the future generation.
Tom Phillips - 25 Jan 2005 22:36 GMT > ... > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > though. We've all seen this before. I'd just like to > understand why no one is saying this out loud. Most of what a lot of people hear these days is controlled by a few media moguls. Context and critical journalism is lost in the stampede to report the most shallow, sensational "news" that will bump up the mogul's ratings and profit. Witness the neverending Scott Peterson saga.
The rest is right wing talk radio which, as with Fox News, first "decides" and then "reports."
I guess
> I shouldn't wonder, though, when the revelations of > torture and the excesses at that prison in Iraq have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > regards, > --le David Starr - 25 Jan 2005 22:53 GMT >One has to consider the absurdity of Bush and his >so-called mission from God and apply appropriate >sardonic humor. Jake & Elwood could relate.
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Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 25 Jan 2005 12:02 GMT ...
> Just 4 more years ..... > >Regards, > > John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org > Please remove the "_" when replying via email [sorry, I'm OT and I can't help myself. History is repeating itself and we're all going to pay ...]
jan2504 from Lloyd Erlick,
Four more years of what? Deficit financing? I see the projections are for the US federal budget to be about a half trillion dollars in deficit annually for the foreseeable future. If there are deficits like that for the next four years, it's not very likely year five will be less! We've seen this in Canada (and didn't the US go through the very same over the seventies and eighties?). If you want a strong dollar, better not put your economy that deeply into debt. And by the way, is money being printed to stretch over that debt? We've all had a pretty good look at what happens when the US economy prints a lot of money...
I'm confused by American peoples' reactions to a half trillion dollar debt every year. Is it considered a large amount of money or not?
If the half trillion every year had to be raised by taxation, would there not be a howl? Why is the same half trillion raised as debt not a concern? It turns into taxation later, when it's time to repay, except it gets carrying costs added. Anyone suggesting this on behalf of buying a health care system would be called a commie.
Is the economy really so large it can borrow that much every year and not be affected? Last time it happened the worldwide money markets were powerfully affected, and every householder was in competition with the USA for borrowed money. Under Reagan, who set a few record-breaking deficits in a row, interest rates went through the roof. In those days (mid-eighties) I remember being very relieved that the rates had come *down* a tad before our mortgage needed renewal and we were able to get one at 15%. That was a good rate! Mortgages peaked at 22% in Canada.
Now another Republican comes along and starts setting new federal deficit-financing records in the US. Pardon me for saying, but this looks very bad from the outside. Does it look good to anyone on the inside of the US economy? Who would it be that thinks it's a good thing? Who is benefiting?
And what evidence is there to suggest that it will last only four years? Judging by the last time it happened, for every year of deficit, several years of struggle to slowly reduce deficits were required. Trillions (and *how many* trillions will it end up being??) of dollars debt means years and years of repayment later.
Fiscal conservatives always used to say it was wrong to saddle our descendants with such a large debt. When did the Republicans stop being fiscal conservatives?
In both our countries (Canada and USA) we see the spectacle of so-called conservatives applying words like reform and revolution to their activities. I believe Bush used the word reform just the other day.
In Ontario, we just recently disposed of a decade-long conservative administration that billed itself as a 'revolution'. The common sense revolution, they called it. Once they were out it became known that the overall deficit left behind (debt, that is) is over ten billion dollars. So it's very hard for the new administration to carry on any kind of activity, except repayment. Sound familiar? (Interestingly, the new administration here introduced legislation to prevent any government from hiding debt before an election. Supposedly, it's full disclosure and transparency now. Pretty late in the game for this little improvement, isn't it? The same trick has been pulled frequently.)
Not many people even ask where the money went. Who holds that debt? Who is getting rich?
Compared to all this, a Canadian-style health care system for all Americans would be cheap. (Believe me, you'd like it.) And the money spent on it would mostly remain circulating within the US. War is just a money pit.
An American friend of mine remarked the other day that we all should pray for the continued good health of President Bush, because Vice President Cheney looks even scarier! I remember exactly the same thing being said about Spiro Agnew in Nixon times.
I'm afraid I've lost the thread -- exactly what was wrong with Al Gore again?
sigh, --le
Gregory Blank - 25 Jan 2005 13:03 GMT > I'm afraid I've lost the thread -- exactly what was > wrong with Al Gore again? The a majority of the American people seem to have a problem with a leader that actually thinks.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 25 Jan 2005 15:41 GMT >> I'm afraid I've lost the thread -- exactly what was >> wrong with Al Gore again? > >The a majority of the American people seem to have a problem with >a leader that actually thinks. jan2505 from Lloyd Erlick,
It's very Canadian to wish to give no offense. In the case of the USA, there is a great deal of friendly feeling among Canadians. I'd guess it would the same throughout the western world, even though there is a lot of complaint, too. Mostly, the complaints seem to be along the lines of 'wish you could improve', or 'wish you could follow your own precepts ....' Seldom do I see such a harsh criticism as you've made, above. Not that I'm doubting you, or contradicting you. Sadly. It's interesting that from elsewhere complaints mainly seem to be friendly requests from friends (could you please not legitimize torture; it would be very nice if you would apply your own laws to people you detain) or name calling from this month's list of enemies (infidel! the only good American is a dead Jew!).
There must be reasons for these peculiar traits. American society was able to take significant steps to rectify the huge problem of racist elements of law and institutions in the 1960s and later; why can't this problem be identified and corrected? Shunning intelligent leadership is self-defeating. It also makes the neighbours nervous.
regards, --le
Gregory Blank - 25 Jan 2005 21:44 GMT > Shunning intelligent leadership is self-defeating. It also makes > the neighbours nervous. Well, we both agree there are many good people in The USA, as well as abroad. He either won fair and square or he did not. Time will tell fro sure, because a true tyrant can never resist trying to keep the power hold that they think they have gained "fairly".
There's no way in hell he will get another term, if that's any consolation, there are just too many people opposed to him.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
Ken Nadvornick - 25 Jan 2005 18:04 GMT > [sorry, I'm OT and I can't help myself. History is > repeating itself and we're all going to pay ...] [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > sigh, > --le Uh... wow.
Sorry I brought up the subject of B&W photographic paper. Won't make that mistake again...
Ken
Tom Phillips - 25 Jan 2005 18:31 GMT snip
> Uh... wow. > > Sorry I brought up the subject of B&W photographic paper. Won't make that > mistake again... Oh now, we all need a little OT diversion now and then :)
But I wasn't familiar with this paper prior so will have to try it.
Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 25 Jan 2005 20:26 GMT >... >Uh... wow. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ken Jan 2505 from Lloyd Erlick,
Yes, you're right. Sorry, this subject just pulls it out no matter how I clench my teeth.
I'll try to stop.
regards, --le
Tom Phillips - 25 Jan 2005 18:17 GMT snip...
> Now another Republican comes along and starts setting > new federal deficit-financing records in the US. Pardon > me for saying, but this looks very bad from the > outside. Does it look good to anyone on the inside of > the US economy? Who would it be that thinks it's a good > thing? Who is benefiting? But Lloyd you miss the point of all this. Deficits are the major strategy of the Reagan Revolution neocons. Being the anti-government zealots they are (meaning their view is government shouldn't be in the business of doing things for those citizens who's taxes pay to run that government...), their strategy is to cut taxes (mainly for CEOs to the tune of a trillion $$$), run up a massive deficit thus creating a crisis, then cut all government spending that isn't _pentagon_ related. You'll notice in the new projections Bush's $100 billion war expenditures aren't consider a part of this year's deficit figures...
> Fiscal conservatives always used to say it was wrong to > saddle our descendants with such a large debt. When did > the Republicans stop being fiscal conservatives? When they stopped being conservatives...
> In both our countries (Canada and USA) we see the > spectacle of so-called conservatives applying words > like reform and revolution to their activities. I > believe Bush used the word reform just the other day. Yes, reform government by the people and for the people to government by and for the CEOs...
snip again...
> An American friend of mine remarked the other day that > we all should pray for the continued good health of > President Bush, because Vice President Cheney looks > even scarier! I remember exactly the same thing being > said about Spiro Agnew in Nixon times. I would beg to differ. Cheney _is_ the president :) You don't think a guy who spent the first 40 years of his life blowing cocaine up his nose and rearranging his brain has really been running this country for the last 4 years, do you? ;^)
> I'm afraid I've lost the thread -- exactly what was > wrong with Al Gore again? Nothing. He actually won in 2000...
Lloyd usenet-Erlick - 25 Jan 2005 20:37 GMT jan2505 from Lloyd Erlick,
I wouldn't argue with a word you've said. But as an outsider I'd expect to be chastised for being so blunt, or outspoken, or pig-headed, or ingrate, were I to say it.
Your explication brings to mind the transition of ancient Rome from its republican start (not Republican!) to its degenerative imperial period, full of self centered emperors empowered first by various gods and then by God.
I'm trying to think of graded papers made in England...
regards, --le
>snip... >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >Nothing. He actually won in 2000... Tom Phillips - 25 Jan 2005 22:29 GMT > jan2505 from Lloyd Erlick, > > I wouldn't argue with a word you've said. But as an > outsider I'd expect to be chastised for being so blunt, > or outspoken, or pig-headed, or ingrate, were I to say > it. I think globalization means political opinion is globally valid.
> Your explication brings to mind the transition of > ancient Rome from its republican start (not > Republican!) to its degenerative imperial period, full > of self centered emperors empowered first by various > gods and then by God. This is what's happening. But instead of a king-god or pope-god, we will have an evangelical right wing talk radio-god. The real God must be amused by all this self important human arrogance and historical repetition.
> I'm trying to think of graded papers made in England... On topic, does anyone know how Kentmere compares to other cold tone graded papers, like Seagull?
> regards, > --le [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > > >Nothing. He actually won in 2000... jrplatinum - 26 Jan 2005 01:40 GMT Ken,
Prices for the first shipment of Kentmere papers from Freestyle Photo are now up on their web site at www.freestylephoto.biz. The first shipment does not include the cold tone graded bromide papers.
Tom Phillips - 26 Jan 2005 02:10 GMT > Ken, > > Prices for the first shipment of Kentmere papers from Freestyle Photo > are now up on their web site at www.freestylephoto.biz. The first > shipment does not include the cold tone graded bromide papers. Meaning?
Ken Nadvornick - 26 Jan 2005 05:13 GMT > Prices for the first shipment of Kentmere papers from Freestyle Photo > are now up on their web site at www.freestylephoto.biz. The first > shipment does not include the cold tone graded bromide papers. Hi John,
Many thanks for the relevant reply. Although I'm most anxious to try the graded bromide papers, over time I expect to explore all of the other Kentmere offerings as well. A consistent, dependable supply of quality graded bromide, however, would be a dream come true for me.
You sound directly connected to either Kentmere USA or Freestyle?
Thanks again, Ken
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