The ISO speed of Tri-X is 400. The actual usable speed is about 250.
You're going the wrong direction.
Tom Ellliott - 10 Jan 2005 20:06 GMT
Wrong direction?
Not if he is working under low lighting conditions.
See http://www.tom-elliott-photography.com/special.htm
All tri-x @ 1,000 asa in D-23 1:1 - 65F (forgot the time) with minimal
agatiation of 4 times during the time period. Basically a "still"
development process. You definately had to do the minimal agitaions or you
would get development streaks caused by the silver gravitating to the bottom
of the tank. Thin flat negs, even though pushed, but worked great for my
paper (agfa brovira) enlarger (Omega DII) combination. I also experimented
with my own homebuilt point sourse adaptor.
Have fun,
Tom
> The ISO speed of Tri-X is 400. The actual usable speed is about 250.
> You're going the wrong direction.
Frank Pittel - 11 Jan 2005 03:42 GMT
Alas the best way to deal with the troll is to ignore him.
: Wrong direction?
: Not if he is working under low lighting conditions.
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: Have fun,
: Tom

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marcin - 11 Jan 2005 13:29 GMT
I used few times tri-x 400@1600 in d-23 1+1 20C
(17-18 minutes afair) and was also quite satisfied.
marcin
> Wrong direction?
> Not if he is working under low lighting conditions.
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> > The ISO speed of Tri-X is 400. The actual usable speed is about 250.
> > You're going the wrong direction.
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 13 Jan 2005 17:08 GMT
That's right. ISO ratings are too high. You need to cut them by 1/3 or
so.
> Does anybody have experience with Tri-X 400 @ 1600 in
> Rodinal Special?
> 6 minutes at 20 C works fine for film exposed at 400.
> Peter
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> email a -> b
I don't have specific info about Rodinal Special but a two
stop push for most film/developer combinations requires
about double the developing time for normal contrast for
diffusion printing.
Remember that you are not really increasing the speed of
the film, only its contrast. Since underexposure is mostly
on the "toe" of the film curve, where contrast is lower than
for the rest of the curve, increasing contrast by push
developing will help to make this area printable.
2 stops push from the ISO speed is just about the limit
of sensitivity for most films. If the scenes have any
contrast the negatives will be hard to print because any
exposure beyond the toe of the film will be of very high
contrast. This will be true for any developer or film.
Underexposure much below about 2 stops will simply not
record on the film so no amount of development increase can
bring it out. My experience with Tri-X 400 is that around
EI-1000 is the limit if tonal rendition is to be reasonably
good.
If you have used Rodinal Special please post _your_
experiences with it. I am not even sure its available in the
US. It is NOT the same thing as Rodinal and appears to use a
unique developing agent. I am curious about it.

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peterhva@hotmail.com - 22 Jan 2005 22:44 GMT
> > Does anybody have experience with Tri-X 400 @ 1600 in
> > Rodinal Special?
> > 6 minutes at 20 C works fine for film exposed at 400.
> If you have used Rodinal Special please post _your_
> experiences with it. I am not even sure its available in the
> US. It is NOT the same thing as Rodinal and appears to use a
> unique developing agent. I am curious about it.
I've heard in the US Rodinal Special is called Studional.
According to the Rodinal special instructions Tri-x 6 minutes at 20 C,
dilution 1+15.
According to the Tri-X package for several developers exposed @ 1600
the develop-time multiplies by 1.5
Further I found recommendations to dilute the developer more when a
film is pushed.
So I tried the following: Rodinal Special 1+45 (3x6) x 1.5 = 27 minutes
So Tri-x 400 @ 1600 at 20 C for 27 minutes, Rodinal Special 1 + 45,
result was grainy, but ok, example at:
http://torino.ict.hva.nl/images/concert/bloeimaand/bloeimaand1_7.jpg
Equipment: Minolta 7000i + 50mm 1.7 (I think it was 1/60 @ 4)
Peter
Richard Knoppow - 23 Jan 2005 13:23 GMT
> > > Does anybody have experience with Tri-X 400 @ 1600 in
> > > Rodinal Special?
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> Peter
According to the info on the Agfa web site they are different
developers. Rodinal Special is described as a fine grain developer.
Studional appears to be a concentrate for high volume use like
photofinishing.
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jo.sto@bigpond.com - 26 Jan 2005 06:30 GMT
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> According to the info on the Agfa web site they are different
> developers. Rodinal Special is described as a fine grain developer.
> Studional appears to be a concentrate for high volume use like
> photofinishing.
Although Agfa say different things about Rodinal Special and Studional,
they are the same. This is the opposite to Kodak, who sell several
films confusingly called "Tri-X" that are not the same as each other.
This is all about marketing, and I doubt that either ploy is
successful.
Rodinal Special is a phenidone-hydroquinone developer with pH=9.3 after
dilution, according to their Australian/New Zealand MSDS. It is
probably mildly speed enhancing.