> I want to ask the group about alternatives to disposing of old
> photographic
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> Greg Crawford, Topeka KS
Surely, if you're giving it away, you can find someone in Topeka to take
it off your hands, good or not. Why waste time packing and shipping?
An ad in the photo section of the classifieds of your local newspaper
or college paper or just a note in a camera store would do. Or have a
weekend garage sale and get rid of the paper and a lot of other stuff
you have no use for.

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jjs - 06 Jan 2005 13:40 GMT
Wait - if it is color paper forget it. I have a bunch I'll never use.
Sell it to me!
john@mybrain.stafford.net (remove mybrain to fix the address)
>I want to ask the group about alternatives to disposing of
>old photographic
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> Greg Crawford, Topeka KS
Is it B&W or color? If its B&W its probably still good,
depending on what it is. I just tried some Agfa Brovira
that's probably 20 years old and its fine. Other papers
vary. Old Kodak variable contrast paper is probably suitable
for wrapping fish but most graded papers should still be OK.
Test a little and see if its fogged or has lost a lot of
contrast. A little fog can be fixed with Benzotriazole.

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PATRICK GAINER - 07 Jan 2005 18:16 GMT
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Now Richard, you know that paper would be too stiff to make a decent
fish wrapper.
Richard Knoppow - 08 Jan 2005 01:51 GMT
>>>I want to ask the group about alternatives to disposing
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> make a decent
> fish wrapper.
I was thinking of wrapping outdated fish where paper
stiffness is of no consequence.
I am going through a stash of old paper (not for wrapping
fish) and will post what I find. Some of this stuff is
probably thirty years old.

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LR Kalajainen - 08 Jan 2005 03:09 GMT
I've been carting around about 25 sheets of Portriga Rapid for the past
20 years. It'll be real interesting to see whether it's "sleeping with
the fishes," or whether it's still good. I keep telling myself that I'm
saving it for a special occasion, but it hasn't come along yet. It's
the paper that taught me what shadow detail was all about.
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>fish) and will post what I find. Some of this stuff is
>probably thirty years old.
jjs - 08 Jan 2005 03:11 GMT
I'd love to have some old Agfa Brovira. IMHO it was the best graded paper in
the world.
Mark Fohl - 10 Jan 2005 12:56 GMT
I'm always in the market for old Brovira #6 (BEH) 8x10 or 11x14. The best
way to do Sabattier work.
Also, for my old paper, I try to take to my local hazardous waste collection
site. I also take my used fixer there.
-- Mark
> I'd love to have some old Agfa Brovira. IMHO it was the best graded paper in
> the world.
Lloyd Usenet-Erlick - 08 Jan 2005 13:47 GMT
>...
> I am going through a stash of old paper (not for wrapping
>fish) and will post what I find. Some of this stuff is
>probably thirty years old.
jan805 from Lloyd Erlick,
Better be careful with that old Brovira, though ...
even in my limited circle there are those who might fly
down to California and stalk you for it ... especially
this time of year!
regards,
--le

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Richard Knoppow - 09 Jan 2005 01:26 GMT
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>> I am going through a stash of old paper (not for
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I have some Grade-6. I got this stuff from a friend who
loved high contrast prints. This sounds liek
super-high-contrast but, for many years, Agfa used one
number higher than anyone else for its contrast grades,
i.e., Grade-3 was "normal", so its not quite _that_
contrasty.

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Ken Hart - 08 Jan 2005 02:53 GMT
> >I want to ask the group about alternatives to disposing of
> >old photographic
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> Test a little and see if its fogged or has lost a lot of
> contrast. A little fog can be fixed with Benzotriazole.
How about giving it to the local scout troop (or other kid's organization),
and showing them how to make shadowgrams? (Place objects on the paper,
expose and develope--pre-teen kids find it kewl!) Might just encourage them
to try the darkroom and keep them away from the evil digital cameras!
There could even be a tax deduction in it for you!
Ken Hart
Richard Knoppow - 09 Jan 2005 01:28 GMT
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>> >of
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> Ken Hart
Its possible to make a sort of printing out paper from
standard developing paper. I don't remember the exact
procedure but I think it involves treating the surface with
a silver Nitrate solution.

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 09 Jan 2005 15:39 GMT
> Its possible to make a sort of printing out paper from
> standard developing paper. I don't remember the exact
> procedure but I think it involves treating the surface with
> a silver Nitrate solution.
As near as I can remember from being 8 years old:
1/2 a day in bright sunlight worked ok with
no chemicals needed. Probably AZO paper.

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bob - 21 Jan 2005 21:57 GMT
"Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:3470lfF45mp8cU1
@individual.net:
> Is it B&W or color? If its B&W its probably still good,
> depending on what it is. I just tried some Agfa Brovira
> that's probably 20 years old and its fine. Other papers
I have some Kodabromide that's about 20 years old. The last time I tried to
use it (a couple years ago) it was fogged. It could still be used for some
purposes (but not anything that requires white).
Bob
Nicholas O. Lindan - 21 Jan 2005 22:49 GMT
> I have some Kodabromide that's about 20 years old. The last time I tried to
> use it (a couple years ago) it was fogged. It could still be used for some
> purposes (but not anything that requires white).
If it is not too far gone Benztriazole (SP?) works wonders. AGFA MCxx RC
that came up dirty grey became usable, the print borders were as white
as the back of the paper.
I mix the benzumptydump with 91% drug-store alcohol. The alcohol bottle makes
dandy storage for the resultant stock solution.

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bob - 22 Jan 2005 04:03 GMT
"Nicholas O. Lindan" <see@sig.com> wrote in news:QFfId.3293$cZ1.357
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> If it is not too far gone Benztriazole (SP?) works wonders.
What's that, and where do you get it? Some kind of bleach? How do you use
it?
Bob

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