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The best darkroom books/manuals?

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Ronin - 27 Dec 2004 11:16 GMT
Hi,

according to your experience or from what you've heard from the masters of
photography, which are the best darkroom manuals one can find? (I mean from
beginner to advanced books, covering each field and every tecnique)

thanks
Ronin - 27 Dec 2004 11:18 GMT
(of course there are the Adams classics)
John Walton - 27 Dec 2004 13:48 GMT
"Way Beyond Monochrome"

and Ctein's books.

> (of course there are the Adams classics)
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 27 Dec 2004 15:36 GMT
Which of course should be burnt....
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 27 Dec 2004 15:41 GMT
"(of course there are the Adams classics)"
Which of course should be burnt......
F.C. Trevor Gale - 02 Jan 2005 12:19 GMT
Greetings;

Here we go again. The original poster was asking for some
recommendations concerning darkroom books/manuals. Someone happened to
mention the Adams classics, which do have their place in a list of
notable books/manuals.

However, if I were a "newbie" and posted such a request (with all
respect to the original poster, please) it might be the case that I am
entirely new to the reality of the darkroom. Thus, the comment "Which of
course should be burnt......" would give me no inkling whatsoever of
what controversy is at hand, or why.

As it happens, I hardly ever revert to the Zone system, but at least I
have been able to read about it and to try it for myself, even though
that lead me to dislike it.

Education (including experience) is far more valuable than regulation
and dictatorship; only in the latter is information witheld and books
burnt as a regular part of life.

My regards, F.C. Trevor Gale.

> "(of course there are the Adams classics)"
> Which of course should be burnt......
John Bartley - 02 Jan 2005 16:35 GMT
>Education (including experience) is far more valuable than regulation
>and dictatorship; only in the latter is information witheld and books
>burnt as a regular part of life.
>
>My regards, F.C. Trevor Gale.
>  

Truth, elegantly expressed.

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Frank Pittel - 04 Jan 2005 01:04 GMT
If we all ignore it, it'll go away!!

: Greetings;

: Here we go again. The original poster was asking for some
: recommendations concerning darkroom books/manuals. Someone happened to
: mention the Adams classics, which do have their place in a list of
: notable books/manuals.

: However, if I were a "newbie" and posted such a request (with all
: respect to the original poster, please) it might be the case that I am
: entirely new to the reality of the darkroom. Thus, the comment "Which of
: course should be burnt......" would give me no inkling whatsoever of
: what controversy is at hand, or why.

: As it happens, I hardly ever revert to the Zone system, but at least I
: have been able to read about it and to try it for myself, even though
: that lead me to dislike it.

: Education (including experience) is far more valuable than regulation
: and dictatorship; only in the latter is information witheld and books
: burnt as a regular part of life.

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John - 04 Jan 2005 10:51 GMT
>If we all ignore it, it'll go away!!

    Hmmm, tried that with Bush and he's still here !

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Some Dude - 04 Jan 2005 21:57 GMT
Some Dude - 04 Jan 2005 22:17 GMT
Jon Rogers - 27 Dec 2004 11:22 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> thanks

The one you write yourself, based on much trial (and a little error)?

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Ronin - 27 Dec 2004 12:21 GMT
> The one you write yourself, based on much trial (and a little error)?

I've heard once of a book describing "ancient/vintage" printing tecniques...
Do you know what is it?
Gregory Blank - 27 Dec 2004 13:19 GMT
> > The one you write yourself, based on much trial (and a little error)?
>
> I've heard once of a book describing "ancient/vintage" printing tecniques...
> Do you know what is it?

"Keeper's Of the Light", Morgan and Morgan.

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prep@prep.synonet.com - 27 Dec 2004 16:29 GMT
>> > The one you write yourself, based on much trial (and a little error)?
>> I've heard once of a book describing "ancient/vintage" printing tecniques...
>> Do you know what is it?

> "Keeper's Of the Light", Morgan and Morgan.

Haist, vol I & II

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John - 28 Dec 2004 22:59 GMT
>> "Keeper's Of the Light", Morgan and Morgan.
>
>Haist, vol I & II

    Yep. And Mees.

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Gregory Blank - 27 Dec 2004 13:22 GMT
> > The one you write yourself, based on much trial (and a little error)?
>
> I've heard once of a book describing "ancient/vintage" printing tecniques...
> Do you know what is it?

Here's another


http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/monographs/sunbeam/index.html

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Francis A. Miniter - 27 Dec 2004 15:25 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> thanks

Hi Robin,

For everyday photochemistry, little can match the following:

Anchell, The Darkroom Cookbook (2nd Ed.)
Anchell and Troop, The Film Developing Cookbook

For issues other than photochemistry, Kodak puts out two booklets, entitled (I
think)

Kodak, The Black & White Darkroom Guide
Kodak, The Color Darkroom Guide.

For color compensation, I most like:
Grill and Shannon (I hope I remember their names properly), The Essential
Darkroom Book

These are the ones I keep on the shelf in the darkroom.  Upstairs I have quite a
number of books, but the following by Dr. Tim Rudman are the ones most consulted:
The Photographer's Master Printing Course
The Master Photographer's Toning Book
The Master Photographer's Lith Printing Course.

Francis A. Miniter
Gregory Blank - 27 Dec 2004 17:27 GMT
> For color compensation, I most like:
> Grill and Shannon (I hope I remember their names properly), The Essential
> Darkroom Book

Hum? Suddenly I can't explain it but I have a craving for charcoal
broiled fish :-)

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John - 28 Dec 2004 22:57 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>
>thanks

    These are a few that I've read.

The Camera - Ansel Adam Little Brown - ISBN 0-8212-1092-0
The Negative - Ansel Adams Little Brown - ISBN 0-8212-1131-5
The Print - Ansel Adams Little Brown - ISBN 0-8212-1526-4
Basic Techniques of Photography - John P. Schaefer Little Brown - ISBN
0-8212-1882-4
Quality Enlarging with Kodak B-&-W Papers - Eastman Product Group -
ISBN 0-87985-279-8
The Film Developing Cookbook : Advanced Techniques for Film Developing
- B.Troop & S.Anchell - Focal Press - ISBN: 0240802772
The Focal Encyclopedia of Photography - Stroebel,Zakia Amphoto/Focal
Press - ISBN 0-240-80059-1
Using the View Camera - Steve Simmons - ISBN 0-8174-6353-4
The Darkroom Cookbook - S.G. Anchell - Focal Press - ISBN
0-240-80196-2
The Photographers Handbook - John Hedgecoe Knopf - ISBN 0-679-74204-2
The Darkroom Handbook - Knopf, Langford Knopf - ISBN 0-394-72468-2
Beyond the Zone System - Phil DavisFocal Press - ISBN 0-240-80193-8

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Mike King - 30 Dec 2004 18:00 GMT
David Vestal, two books, available only used:

The Craft of Photography

The Art of Black and White Enlarging.

He has much to say about product testing for your own conditions and
equipment and has many simple tests you can perform to eliminate the
"hype" surrounding many good products.

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> Hi,
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> thanks
Randy Stewart - 31 Dec 2004 07:37 GMT
Vestal's books, particularly The Craft of Photography, are the best reply
yet offered to the question.  They are well worth the trouble to hunt down a
used copy - good on basics, yet they have something for the more experienced
darkroom worker as well.

> David Vestal, two books, available only used:
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> >
> > thanks
kleinfel@alaska.net - 02 Jan 2005 21:53 GMT
Anything by David Vestal.  His books are out of print, I think, but
worth getting through one of the out of print services.  His book on
black and white printing is superb.  He's the best contemporary blend
of esthetic and technical advice.

Ctein, of cours.

Sussman on Photography, a terrific text covering darkroom extensively
(out of print but often available).

For a very valuable pre-Adams perspective, and some helpful advice that
still holds good despite being asncient, Lootens on Print Control.
Follow Lootens, and your prints have more the Aubrey Bodine look than
the California look.

I think the Adams books are overrated.  His poor writing and
pseudoscientifc aspect make them enough of a struggle to teach from,
but there are lots of quicker, more efficient reads that teach the zone
system, for example (not really very complex).  And religious Adams
followers' pictures tend to all look alike.

> Hi,
>
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>
> thanks
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 02 Jan 2005 22:49 GMT
Depends on the format. Each format has different optimal techniques.
Anybody who says different is ill-informed or lying.
Francis A. Miniter - 03 Jan 2005 21:39 GMT
> Depends on the format. Each format has different optimal techniques.
> Anybody who says different is ill-informed or lying.

Michael,

He was asking about darkroom books and manuals.

Francis A. Miniter
 
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