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Grade 1 paper?

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sreenath - 23 Dec 2004 06:43 GMT
Hi All,

What are the pitfalls of standardising on using grade 1 paper for all
printing?

Most literature suggests using grade 2 as the standard paper for
printing. Is there anything to be gained by striving to achive negative
contrast suitable for Grade 2 or 3?

thanks,
Sreenth
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 23 Dec 2004 15:02 GMT
What is your format?

If it's 35mm, the recommended grade for 'normal' is grade 3. This
allows you to reduce the film development a little, which provides
better sharpness and finer grain.

Grade 1? No way.
Mike King - 23 Dec 2004 16:07 GMT
Several potential pitfalls come to mind.  Not in any particular order:

1.  Availability, low demand for graded papers in general and especially
lower contrast grades may leave you without a source for your "standard"
paper overnight.  Most people use normal grade and use higher grades to
"rescue" images that are underexposed or otherwise low in contrast.

2.  If you use the lowest available contrast paper for "normal" images where
do you go if you need to print a higher contrast image?  What if your
targets and technique are calibrated for normal rendering of scenes of
normal contrast and you get pushed into a situation with high contrast
lighting or scenes with only a limited contrast range.  e.g. Stage lighting
(no lower grade paper to render a higher contrast negative) or "available
darkness" lighting in a bar where you need to push process film to get a
reproducible image.  If your "normal" film processing is already high
contrast you have nothing left in the way of extended development to "push"
process film.

3.  If you are processing negatives to a higher contrast the transition
between tonal values is sharper and you will feel the need for half grade
(or less) increments in paper contrast when printing.  The danger is that
some values may "block-up" and be unprintable without using variable
contrast paper developers or a lot of burning and dodging.  And frankly
variable contrast papers are easier to use than variable contrast
developers.

4.  Processing negatives to higher contrast encourages graininess as well.
Not bad in itself but needs to be considered especially if you use 35mm.

5.  By design paper grade 2 or 3 papers have contrast curves that fit the
contrast curves of standard films.  (Note that paper grade numbers are
rather arbitrary even in the product lines of one paper maker and that
contrast varies with product and shelf time.)  As a rule if your personal
aim points for contrast and exposure shoot for the middle of the field the
occasional unforeseen variation (or in my case a genuine screw-up) will
still keep me in the comfort area.

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> Hi All,
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> Sreenth
Francis A. Miniter - 24 Dec 2004 01:39 GMT
> Several potential pitfalls come to mind.  Not in any particular order:
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> occasional unforeseen variation (or in my case a genuine screw-up) will
> still keep me in the comfort area.

Hi Mike,

Good answer.  I'd just like to add that Grade 1 paper is most appropriate where
you use normal processing to develop negatives that have captured an image
having a higher than normal Subject Brightness Ratio, i.e., more than seven
stops and probably more like 9 to 11 stops.

Francis A. Miniter
sreenath - 27 Dec 2004 05:45 GMT
Hi,
thanks for many responses.

The availability of graded paper is an issue. While I can get RC paper
in all grades here in India, fiber is not all that commonly available
here. I do have Ilford MG IV fiber, but that is for producing Adams
type of prints(!).

One seller here has decided do liquidate his stock of graded Fiber
paper, and all he has is Grade 1. Hence my question.

Also I have felt that it is easier to develope negatives to high
contrast and print on Grade 1 paper, than carefully controlling the
contrast and printing on Grade2 -3 paper.

I use a condenser enlarger. Does it mean that even Grade 1 paper
behaves like Grade 2? If that is the case, I can happily use Grade 1
paper and still develop negatives to a slightly lesser contrast.

Of course, if the subject contrast itself is low, there will be no way
out.

I don't make prints larger than 8X10 and hence grain does not seem to
be the issue. I am still sorting out the contrast/exposure issues.

What would be the Subject Brightness Ratio of a scene, say a landscape
in strong sunlight?

thanks,
Sreenath

> > Several potential pitfalls come to mind.  Not in any particular order:
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> Francis A. Miniter
Babar de Saint Cyr - 28 Dec 2004 16:32 GMT
> One seller here has decided do liquidate his stock of graded Fiber
> paper, and all he has is Grade 1. Hence my question.

His stock is fully composed of unselled paper.
Ask you why and you will have your answer :)

I put my hand on a closeout photoclub paper stock.
Brovira, Record & Record Rapid only in grade from 3 to 5.

Babar

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sreenath - 30 Dec 2004 05:58 GMT
I get the point :)

thanks,
Sreenath

> > One seller here has decided do liquidate his stock of graded Fiber
> > paper, and all he has is Grade 1. Hence my question.
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> "If we were to employ violent means, we would have nothing left to defend."
> (Dalaï Lama)
 
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