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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / December 2004OT "Patents"
Can one patent an idea without having a prototype or a specific method for producing the idea as a manifest item. I have a great idea probably worth millions but I don't know electronics or phone technology.  SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 > Can one patent an idea without having a prototype > or a specific method for producing the idea as > a manifest item. I have a great idea probably worth > millions but I don't know electronics or phone > technology. I think you have to provide specifics when you apply for a patent. IOW I don't think you can say "a new method of telephone communication is my idea" but not have a basic adaptation, i.e., an invention of some sort. > -- > LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable > to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 > Can one patent an idea without having a prototype > or a specific method for producing the idea as > a manifest item. I have a great idea probably worth > millions but I don't know electronics or phone > technology. You need advice from a patent agent. Depending on your jurisdiction, you can probably file a patent application without having built a prototype, but you will have to, in due course, supply evidence that a working example of your invention has existed somewhere, sometime. It is quite acceptable to hire skilled persons to build a prototype for you without compromising on your inventorship rights so long as they are following your instructions and using their own pre-existing skills (the "prior art"). Whatever you do, do not disclose your invention to anyone until you have taken advice form a patent agent/attorney. Signaturea n n @ n i m o t t i . p o r t 5 . c o m Just tell it to me. I'll be sure you get credit. On 12/16/2004 11:46 AM Gregory Blank spake thus: > Can one patent an idea without having a prototype > or a specific method for producing the idea as > a manifest item. I have a great idea probably worth > millions but I don't know electronics or phone > technology. You've already said too much. As we speak--OK, as I type--the minions at Nebenzahl Laboratories, GmbH are working overtime to beat you to the patent office. SignatureNeed new sig In the United States there is generally no requirement for a working prototype in order to receive a patent on an invention. The law (35USC112 paragraph 1) does require that the invention be enabled: "The specification shall contain a written description of the invention, and of the manner and process of making and using it, in such full, clear, concise, and exact terms as to enable any person skilled in the art to which it pertains, or with which it is most nearly connected, to make and use the same, and shall set forth the best mode contemplated by the inventor of carrying out his invention." In other words, a naked idea is not patentable. It must be a fully dressed invention. Richard Tanzer patent agent > In the United States there is generally no requirement for a working > prototype in order to receive a patent on an invention. The law [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Richard Tanzer > patent agent Thanks that was the answer I was looking for which means I need additional help finding someone to build my idea. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 As I recall the US Patent office does have a website and most likely GOOGLE will turn it up. My guess is they would have a FAQ as well and there are many offline sources for patent attorneys (the yellow pages, etc.). Whatever you do, don't go to one of the outfits that advertise on TV! Signaturedarkroommike ---------- > > > In the United States there is generally no requirement for a working [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks that was the answer I was looking for which means I need > additional help finding someone to build my idea. The US Patent and Trade Mark Office is at: http://www.uspto.gov It does have some basic information about obtaining patents but a good patent attorney should be consulted if you are serously interested in this. One can download every patent ever issued by the US patent office from this site although those issued before 1975 are available only as FAX TIFF files for which you need a plug-in viewer. The best IMHO is Alternatiff, findable with a Google search. The image viewer in Windows will view and print them off line. Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com > The US Patent and Trade Mark Office is at: http://www.uspto.gov It > does have some basic information about obtaining patents but a good [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Los Angeles, CA, USA > dickburk@ix.netcom.com Hey! This link works! When first started "surfing" about 1996, this search was a big problem. Slow servers and they wanted payment(??). Now I can find my major patent with a couple of clicks. Wan'ta see? Try No. 4,374,014 Truly, dr bob. > The US Patent and Trade Mark Office is at: http://www.uspto.gov > [The images require a plug-in] The best IMHO is > Alternatiff, findable with a Google search. The image viewer in Windows > will view and print them off line. Apple Quicktime has taken over that function on my system. Can't get alternatiff to reinstall for love or $$. And I can't get QT to print or store the images ... SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ >> The US Patent and Trade Mark Office is at: >> http://www.uspto.gov [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > get > QT to print or store the images ... What operating system are you using? Signature--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com Here's a useful tip for viewing patents: copy the patent number you are interested in and plug it into the search box at www.pat2pdf.org. This site takes the patent number and spits out a nice normal PDF which can be viewed and printed as usual. No need to use Alternatiff, which is cumbersome by comparison. >>>The US Patent and Trade Mark Office is at: >>>http://www.uspto.gov [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What operating system are you using? > Here's a useful tip for viewing patents: copy the patent number you > are interested in and plug it into the search box at > www.pat2pdf.org. This site takes the patent number and spits out a > nice normal PDF which can be viewed and printed as usual. No need > to use Alternatiff, which is cumbersome by comparison. Answer to my prayers, thanks! SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@ix.netcom.com> wrote > "Nicholas O. Lindan" <see@sig.com> wrote in message > > > Alternatiff > > Apple Quicktime has taken over > What operating system are you using? Windows ME - A version of Win '98 with a few extra bugs SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ >The US Patent and Trade Mark Office is at: http://www.uspto.gov It >does have some basic information about obtaining patents but a good >patent attorney should be consulted if you are serously interested in >this. A good basic source of information is Nolo Press's _Patent It Yourself!_ (available as an online ebook purchase, I believe) which was, ironically enough, recommended to me by my very expensive (but very capable) patent counsel. It is at least worth a read if you are interested in the subject. SignatureThor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is to be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky |
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