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Ektachrome color shift?

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Nate - 12 Dec 2004 23:23 GMT
I have a few hundred slides that were exposed and processed in the
late 1950's and early 1960's.  The slides are both Kodachrome and
Ektachrome.  I have noticed a distinct difference between them.

The Kodachrome slides appear very good in their color balance - many
of them look like they were taken yesterday.  All of the Ektacrhome
slides have a dominant red color.  I am hoping that I can adjust for
this after scanning them.

Can anyone tell me why the E-6 slides have this red color shift?
Would they have looked more balanced 45 years ago when they were first
processed?

Thanks,

Nate
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 12 Dec 2004 23:36 GMT
Dyes fade. Ektachrome films (E-3, E-4, and E-6) are less stable than
Kodachrome in the dark, where they spend most of their lives. The
answer is to use Kodachrome whenever possible if you desire maximum
dark-keeping stability.

Kodachrome's dyes are of a different kind than Ektachrome dyes.

Today's Ektachrome films are somewhat more stable than those of the
past.

Yes, when they were new the Ektachromes looked good.
Tom Phillips - 13 Dec 2004 07:12 GMT
> I have a few hundred slides that were exposed and processed in the
> late 1950's and early 1960's.  The slides are both Kodachrome and
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> Would they have looked more balanced 45 years ago when they were first
> processed?

Ektachrome dyes are not as stable as Kodachrome dyes.
To prevent color shifts (predominantly yellow dye layer
fading, then cyan, then magenta) you should store slides
at 45F in the dark. You should also avoid projecting
originals (which astronomically increases dye layer fading
due to the heat and light intensity of projection lamps)
and have dupes made for projection purposes.

Kodachrome yellow dye layer fading is less than half that
of Ektachrome films at normal room temperatures. But at
refrigerated at 45 degrees F both are equally stable.
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 13 Dec 2004 14:25 GMT
Got a spare refrigerator?
MXP - 13 Dec 2004 21:59 GMT
Why did Kodak stop producing Kodachrome 25?
Kodachrome 64 is a bad replacement......they could have discontinued that
instead.
Kodachrome 25 in 120 format could have been interresting too.
Kodachrome prints well on Ilfochrome.

Max

> Got a spare refrigerator?
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 13 Dec 2004 22:07 GMT
K25 was discontinued due to the sudden unavailability of a certain
chemical component, according to Kodak.
ZorziM - 15 Dec 2004 16:53 GMT
>Why did Kodak stop producing Kodachrome 25?

  I think that with the drop in poularity of 8mm/Super 8 movie cameras there
was really limited demand for this stock.  The slow speed is necessary in
bright sunlight to keep the diaphragm at some reasonably large f/stop to avoid
diffraction effects.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 15 Dec 2004 21:44 GMT
<max_perl@post11.tele.dk> writes:

>Why did Kodak stop producing Kodachrome 25?

People stopped buying it.
- now -
Why did people stop buying it?

I'll start things off: I only use Kodachrome for slides, so
I am not the one to ask.

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uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 15 Dec 2004 21:48 GMT
No, this is not true. Kodachrome 25 was discontinued solely for
technical reasons.

If you don't know anything, shut the hell up!
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 15 Dec 2004 21:51 GMT
No, this is not true. Kodachrome 25 was discontinued solely for
technical reasons.

If you don't know anything, shut the hell up!
Michael A. Covington - 15 Dec 2004 05:27 GMT
>I have a few hundred slides that were exposed and processed in the
> late 1950's and early 1960's.  The slides are both Kodachrome and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Can anyone tell me why the E-6 slides have this red color shift?

Those are E-4 slides and their cyan dye has faded out.

> Would they have looked more balanced 45 years ago when they were first
> processed?

Yes.  They would have looked quite normal.

The newer E-6 process (which has been refined several times) was introduced
partly to get around this fading problem, as I understand it.
 
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