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Fuji Acros and Neopan

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LR Kalajainen - 22 Nov 2004 12:40 GMT
I've been experimenting with Fuji ACROS 100 and Neopan 400 recently as a
possible alternative to my standard Delta 100 and 400 in the event that
Ilford actually goes under.  I'm getting very nice results with the
following developer and times.

For Fuji Acros:

Shoot at ISO 50
1 tsp. Sodium Carbonate (washing soda)
1/2 tsp. Vit. C powder
4 ml 1% Phenidone
liter of water
70 degrees Fahrenheit (21 C.)
7minutes 15 seconds, two inversions every 30 sec.

For Neopan 400
ISO 200
same developer except substitute 1 tsp. Kodalk (metaborate) in place of
the carbonate.
6 minutes 30 seconds

Larry
Mike King - 22 Nov 2004 16:09 GMT
OK, it's my turn for a stupid question, why do you use different
accelerators in the two developers?

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> I've been experimenting with Fuji ACROS 100 and Neopan 400 recently as a
> possible alternative to my standard Delta 100 and 400 in the event that
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> Larry
LR Kalajainen - 22 Nov 2004 21:01 GMT
Not a stupid question at all.  There's really no need for different
accelerators.  I do it, because I like to keep my development time in
the 6-8 minute range instead of a 9-12 minute range.  This is because
I'm easily bored, especially with film developing, and unless Car Talk
or Mozart's Solemn Vespers is on the radio, I'd just as soon get it over
with quicker.  The carbonate is a more active accelerator than
metaborate or borax, and with these particular films, it does not give
me a huge increase in grain size.  So, for the slower film, I still have
the fine grain, but a shorter development time.  If you use Kodalk
(metaborate) with Acros, I'd suggest starting at 10 minutes.  That'll
get you very close.

>OK, it's my turn for a stupid question, why do you use different
>accelerators in the two developers?
PATRICK GAINER - 24 Nov 2004 04:51 GMT
>OK, it's my turn for a stupid question, why do you use different
>accelerators in the two developers?
>
>  

Changes developer activity. Maybe it's easier to measure. I'm sure one
could use the very same developer for both films by adjusting
development time.
LR Kalajainen - 28 Nov 2004 02:30 GMT
One can, indeed.  The metaborate formula will process Acros very
nicely--just takes 10 minutes instead of 7.

>> OK, it's my turn for a stupid question, why do you use different
>> accelerators in the two developers?
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> could use the very same developer for both films by adjusting
> development time.
stefano bramato - 23 Nov 2004 10:19 GMT
Ah, per?! LR Kalajainen  ha scritto due cosette forse interessanti...
> I've been experimenting with Fuji ACROS 100 and Neopan 400 recently as a
> possible alternative to my standard Delta 100 and 400 in the event that
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> the carbonate.
> 6 minutes 30 seconds

thanks larry for your recipe for my preferite film. But i don't feel ery
comfortable with your measures, can you *convert* every component in
metrical to better appreciate your experimenting?

ciao,
Stefano
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LR Kalajainen - 23 Nov 2004 12:07 GMT
Sure, Stefano.  Sorry, I forget that some of the readers of this
newsgroup are fortunate enough to live in places like bella Italia, and
don't use the American kitchen measurements of teaspoons and
tablespoons.  (I myself lived in la belle France for nearly ten years.)  
Here are metric equivalents:

5 grams Kodalk (metaborate) = 1 teaspoon
6 grams carbonate= 1 teaspoon
2 grams Vitamin C powder = 1/2 teaspoon
1 gram Phenidone= 1/2 teaspoon (dissolved in 100 ml 90% alcohol to make
a 1% solution.

So, you can substitute these amounts in the formula, and it should work
fine.  Bonne chance!

>Ah, però! LR Kalajainen  ha scritto due cosette forse interessanti...
>  
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>ciao,
>Stefano
stefano bramato - 23 Nov 2004 13:06 GMT
Ah, per?! LR Kalajainen  ha scritto due cosette forse interessanti...
> Here are metric equivalents:
>
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> So, you can substitute these amounts in the formula, and it should work=20
> fine.  Bonne chance!

Thanks alot!

Ciao,
Stefano

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Kokon - 29 Nov 2004 11:30 GMT
> I've been experimenting with Fuji ACROS 100 and Neopan 400 recently as a
> possible alternative to my standard Delta 100 and 400 in the event that
> Ilford actually goes under.  I'm getting very nice results with the
> following developer and times.

[...]

> For Neopan 400
> ISO 200
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> Larry

I've tried Neopan400 in original formula(2g sodium carbonate, 1g ascorbic
acid, 0,2g metol, 0,5l water): 7,5 minutes at 20C(time for D-76 straight).
Looks very nice.

Blazej
LR Kalajainen - 29 Nov 2004 12:56 GMT
Did you rate the film at ISO 400 or 200?
I haven't tried it using metol instead of phenidone, though I do use
metol in my paper developer.

Larry

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>Blazej
Kokon - 29 Nov 2004 20:50 GMT
> Did you rate the film at ISO 400 or 200?
> I haven't tried it using metol instead of phenidone, though I do use
> metol in my paper developer.
>
> Larry

I shot it at 400. I don't care much about shadow detail;-).

Blazej
 
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