Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
exposure? If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
on a transparancy using an inkjet?
Tom Phillips - 18 Nov 2004 07:36 GMT
> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
> exposure?
Correct exposure for what? Making prints? No such thing as
"correct exposure" (i.e., a standard exposure.) Base
exposure varies from film to film and paper to paper.
>If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
> on a transparancy using an inkjet?
I'd suggest a real step wedge for sensitometric applications.
Don't really understand all this fascination with doing basic,
simple darkroom stuff with a computer and printer. Waste of
(much) excess time..
Gregory W Blank - 18 Nov 2004 13:24 GMT
> I'd suggest a real step wedge for sensitometric applications.
> Don't really understand all this fascination with doing basic,
> simple darkroom stuff with a computer and printer. Waste of
> (much) excess time..
Human Nature? The desire to take a completly working process
and completely foobar it with a bunch of inferior suppositions?
Or the desire to make something on the cheap and easy that took
close to 200 years to nearly perfect?
Who knows.

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Jed Savage - 18 Nov 2004 20:52 GMT
> > Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> > my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
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> "correct exposure" (i.e., a standard exposure.) Base
> exposure varies from film to film and paper to paper.
Correct exposure for making prints, which I understand is subjective.
> >If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> > not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
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> simple darkroom stuff with a computer and printer. Waste of
> (much) excess time..
It would just be easier to run one 20 second exposure with a 20-step
scale. I'll check into the wedge, I just wasn't sure what is was
called. Thanks!
Tom Phillips - 19 Nov 2004 02:23 GMT
> > > Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> > > my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
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>
> Correct exposure for making prints, which I understand is subjective.
Well, it's subjective, but a _base_ exposure is easily
arrived at. Simply take an unexposed but developed
piece of film, cut a hole in it, and print until you
can't tell the difference between the black of the hole
and the black of the unexposed negative fb+f. This
provides a base maximum black.
This is the base exposure for that film/paper, which
varies for different film/paper combinations. In actual
practice I ignore it. My exposures are according to
the tonal values I want, which is completely subjective.
A print made to "correct" exposure may be technically
correct, but usually quite a boring print ;-)
> > >If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> > > not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
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> scale. I'll check into the wedge, I just wasn't sure what is was
> called. Thanks!
Typical step wedges (also called step tablets) are 21
steps, each step aproximately 1/2 stop difference in
density. You can print a step tablet (correctly exposed
and developed on the _film_ you're using.) This can be
used to draw a paper curve/see which contrast grade or
filtered paper best suits your normal contrast negative.
A good book on these methods is Phil Davis' Beyond the
Zone System.
PATRICK GAINER - 21 Nov 2004 02:26 GMT
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>called. Thanks!
>
It's not a waste of time to find out the density range of printing paper
by using a step density wedge. Look at www.stouffer.com (IIRC) . 21
steps of 0.15 density are a bountiful sufficiency for the task, and it
need not be calibrated. One test of each grade of paper in each
developer will tell you what density range of negative will "fit", but
you may be tempted to buy a densitometer.
Gregory W Blank - 18 Nov 2004 13:22 GMT
> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
> exposure? If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
> on a transparancy using an inkjet?
Called a step wedge.
Go here http://www.stouffer.net/
Get a 21 step wedge. If your doing real darkroom work as opposed
to computer futzing a real step wedge is the best bet.

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Mark in Maine - 18 Nov 2004 16:51 GMT
>> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
>> my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
>> exposure? If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
>> not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
>> on a transparancy using an inkjet?
Delta makes a little sheet of transparant material with a circle cut
into wedges with increasing darkness - you lay this over your paper (I
think that it is about 4x5 so you can cut your paper into quarters
rather than strips, then expose for 1 min, each wedge has a number on
it which will tell you the number of seconds of equivalent exposure.
It will get you into the right ballpark to begin fine tweaking.
Tom Phillips - 18 Nov 2004 16:56 GMT
> > Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> > my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
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> Get a 21 step wedge. If your doing real darkroom work as opposed
> to computer futzing a real step wedge is the best bet.
Of course, you can also use a step wedge and photoshop to
tell just how crappy your scanner's signal to noise ratio/
Dmax is so when you scan all your fine prints for even
crappier inkjet output you can fantasize they have a
superior tonal relationship...
Mike King - 18 Nov 2004 16:16 GMT
If you mean lay over a projected print Kodak makes/made a gadget called a
projection print scale, make a test print for 60 seconds through the scale
and pick the piece of the wedge that has the best exposure and expose for
the indicated time. Kind of a crutch, once you get the hang of things it's
probably a waste of time.

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> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
> exposure? If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
> on a transparancy using an inkjet?
jjs - 18 Nov 2004 17:17 GMT
> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> my paper [...]
What do you find daunting about making test strips?
BTW - consider using F-Stop timing/metrics regardless of whether you go with
some gadget or not.
Uranium Committee - 18 Nov 2004 18:07 GMT
> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
> exposure? If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
> on a transparancy using an inkjet?
Kodak Projection Print Scale
Ken Hart - 18 Nov 2004 19:41 GMT
> Are there clear test strips with varying opacity that I can lay over
> my paper and expose only once yet be able to calculate correct
> exposure? If so what are they called and where can I get one... if
> not, would it be possible to make such a thing? Perhaps by printing
> on a transparancy using an inkjet?
You may be talking about the Kodak Projection Print Scale. I don't know if
they are still available; last time I saw one was in high school (1970's--
no comments, please!). The teacher showed it to us, explained how it worked,
and told us he would personnally keep the a.s of anyone using one of them!
The device is/was clear, about 5"x7", with a 10 or 12 slice "pizza". Each
slice was a bit more dense than the last one, with the exposure seconds
indicated. The device was placed over the printing paper and exposed with
your neg for one minute. After developing, you determined which slice looked
best, read off the exposure, and that was your starting exposure.
Pros: neat, clean, no thought required.
Con: the slices were so small that each one only showed the exposure for a
bit of your neg.
If I were given one of them, I would probably hang it on the wall as a
curiosity. Using a half or quarter sheet of printing paper and a piece of
black paper gives me much more flexibility. I can place the test print at
the area of interest, and expose it to times that suit the needs of the neg
in use.
(For anyone who doesn't know what a test print is: Set up your enlarger with
the neg in place. Put a sheet of photo paper on the easel. Cover all but 1/5
with an opaque card, expose for 5 seconds, uncover another 1/5, expose for 5
more seconds, uncover another 1/5, expose... Develope normally. You now have
a print with 5 different exposures. Pick the best one and go to it!)
Ken Hart
jjs - 19 Nov 2004 14:40 GMT
> [...]
> (For anyone who doesn't know what a test print is: [...]
Well, that's one way, but it makes a lot of sense to make (for example) 5
strips so that you can place the strip over an area that represents the
whole scene - then expose each entire strip using F-Stop times instead of
linear times.
Dan Quinn - 19 Nov 2004 00:04 GMT
jaedend@charter.net (Jed Savage)
Position your film strip in the carrier so that the
clear area twixt two frames is centered.
Make a three exposure test strip then process. Evaluate
that clear area. Your exposures should be such that one of
them produces as black a black as you will care for in any
of the adjoining frames.
If you are experienced and/or lucky the first test will
tell. The method is called, minimum exposure for maximum
black. After that it is one's subjective view of the
print which determines the best exposure. Dan