I'm using a Beseler 23CII with a Rodenstock 55mm f/2.8 Rodagon lens.
Vanessa
> > I am having problems with too much grain in my B&W photos. I think it is
> > caused by something I'm doing or not doing during film development. I'm
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> Don't hold the tank or touch it. Set it down and step away from it.
> Keep the tank from vibrating. Don't place it on anything that moves.
>> > I am having problems with too much grain in my B&W photos. I think it
>is
>> > caused by something I'm doing or not doing during film development. I'm
>> > using 35mm Ilford FP4+ at EI 125 and developing as follows:
>> >
>> > D-76 1:1 at 68 degrees for 11 minutes (recommended time)
My data sheet from Ilford shows 8.5 minutes, but I recall some changes
being discussed in here.... You are right to expect virtually
grainless results with this combination. As someone already
commented, you may wish to check the accuracy of your thermometer,
too. Do you have any known extreme in your water supply in regard to
alkalinity or minerals? If so, you may wish to try using distilled
water.
>> > - agitate first five seconds and rap on counter
>> > - agitatate five seconds each 30 seconds thereafter
I went through an extensive review and testing of agitation techniques
many years back. I happened to be using this combination of film and
developer for the tests. What worked best for me was extending my
development times to the range you are in, initial gentle inversions
for 30 seconds, followed by 2 gentle inversions each minute to the end
of dev time. This gave me the best evenness of open sky areas,
controlled blocked-up highlights and made for easy to print negatives.
When I switched to a diffused light source (I use a 23CII), I extended
my times a bit.
>> > Stop bath for 30 seconds with constant agitation
>> > Kodak Rapid Fixer w/o hardener for 4 minutes
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>> >
>> > All the chemicals subsequent to the D-76 are within 1-2 degrees of 68.
This is pretty much my routine, too. Don't be afraid to experiment
with the filters.... Sometimes, the wrong contrast can exaggerate the
grain clumps that would normally not be so apparent. Make certain
your temps are as even as you think and that you aren't "shocking" the
film (ie, at the wash cycle) and suffering from reticulation effects.
It just seems that something extreme is going on here for you to have
grain trouble with this combo. With D76 1:1 on this fine-grained
emulsion, it seems most likely that you are over-developing and I'd
throttle back on issues that enhance development (temp, time and
agitation). Keep us posted, you've got me curious now!
Warren B. Hapke - 26 Aug 2003 02:43 GMT
:>> > I am having problems with too much grain in my B&W photos. I think it
:>is
:>> > caused by something I'm doing or not doing during film development. I'm
:>> > using 35mm Ilford FP4+ at EI 125 and developing as follows:
:>> >
:>> > D-76 1:1 at 68 degrees for 11 minutes (recommended time)
: My data sheet from Ilford shows 8.5 minutes, but I recall some changes
: being discussed in here.... You are right to expect virtually
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: alkalinity or minerals? If so, you may wish to try using distilled
: water.
Ilford lists a time of 8.5 minutes in D76 1+1 on the inside of the film
box for a roll of FP4 Plus that I have. Their online PDF and their
large time and temperature chart for all their films lists a time of
11 minutes for the same film. (All these times are for E.I. 125).
Oddly enough, the film box lists a time for ID-11 1+1 (8 minutes)
that differs from the D-76 time, though only by .5 minutes.
I have very limited experience with FP4 Plus, but I suspect that 11
minutes could produce overdevelopment.
Warren B. Hapke
wbhapke@prairienet.org
Richard Knoppow - 26 Aug 2003 03:32 GMT
> :>> > I am having problems with too much grain in my B&W photos. I think it
> :>is
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> Warren B. Hapke
> wbhapke@prairienet.org
The increased development time would increase contrast
substantially and could well increase grain. The difference
is not trivial. I wonder which time is actually correct.

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Richard Knoppow
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dickburk@ix.netcom.com
Richard Knoppow - 27 Aug 2003 22:19 GMT
> >> > I am having problems with too much grain in my B&W photos. I think it
> >is
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> alkalinity or minerals? If so, you may wish to try using distilled
> water.
Snipping here...
I wrote Ilford to ask about the time. Here is their reply.
The 11 minute time is correct. A few years ago, in response
to customer
comments, ILFORD retested FP4+ in a variety of developers.
Although the
details are not known, it is apparent that the earlier
testing contained an
error, which yielded results that, while usable, were not to
the same standard
of contrast used for all other ILFORD films. Because of
these findings, ILFORD
revised the recommendations for FP4+.
Note that this does not reflect a change in the film or the
developers. If you
were satisfied with the results you obtained with the
previously published
times,
then you should continue to use those times.
Regards,
David Carper
ILFORD Technical Service
"Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@ix.netcom.com> on 08/25/2003
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Subject: FP-4 development time
Information in the box and elsewhere indicates time for
D-76 1+1 of 8.5 minutes @68F. The current PDF on the Ilford
web site indicates 11 minutes. Which is correct and why the
difference?
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix.netcom.com
> I'm using a Beseler 23CII with a Rodenstock 55mm f/2.8 Rodagon lens.
>
> Vanessa
Are you using an accurate thermometer? Are you using any thermometer
at all?
You should not see grain in an 11 x 14 from FP4 properly exposed and
developed. What contrast of paper are you using, and is it graded or
VC? What filter # if VC?