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JandC Pro 100 - 120 B&W - $1.19 Per Roll
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Dan Quinn - 29 Aug 2004 23:16 GMT Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse?
BTW, has anybody given it a try? Dan
john - 30 Aug 2004 00:23 GMT > Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 > film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll > at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse? Dan, I have not used that emulsion, but a short purchase and a test roll in your back yard will show you what's going on. I did a few sheets of J&C Efke 25 that way this afternoon and it is definitely promising. (Now if I could only go somewhere ! :))
David Nebenzahl - 30 Aug 2004 01:14 GMT On 8/29/2004 3:16 PM Dan Quinn spake thus:
> Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 > film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll > at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse? > > BTW, has anybody given it a try? Not the 120, but I've used their (J&C's) "Classic" film in 4x5 and found it to be plenty good. Don't know if it's exactly same stuff, though.
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Donald Qualls - 30 Aug 2004 02:06 GMT > On 8/29/2004 3:16 PM Dan Quinn spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not the 120, but I've used their (J&C's) "Classic" film in 4x5 and found > it to be plenty good. Don't know if it's exactly same stuff, though. Pro 100 is a different film from Classic 200 and Classic 400. I suspect it's Lucky, rebranded for J&C, and if so, it's said to combine some of the tonal and grain characteristics of TMX with the forgiving latitude of Plus-X -- and those are good comparisons, since the Lucky factory (in China) has licensed Kodak emulsion technology.
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Donald Qualls - 30 Aug 2004 02:04 GMT > Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 > film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll > at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse? > > BTW, has anybody given it a try? Dan I seldom shoot ISO 100, but I certainly plan to buy 10 or 20 rolls of their Classic 400 (at about $1.59/roll, IIRC, and a discount for more than 10, it seems to be the least costly 400 speed 120 film going) as soon as I'm ready to buy more film. I'm just about out of the expired TMY I bought last fall, and looking for a 400 speed film in 120 that'll cost me a lot less than new Tri-X or TMY.
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bk - 01 Sep 2004 08:51 GMT > > Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 > > film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TMY I bought last fall, and looking for a 400 speed film in 120 that'll > cost me a lot less than new Tri-X or TMY. I shot the film at asa 100 in my Yashicamat, processed it in Pyrocat HD for 7 minutes at 80 degrees F and the results in well lit daylight scenes is very rich in the high lights. I'm going to try shooting with the film in overcast light.
John - 01 Sep 2004 16:24 GMT >Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 >film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll >at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse? > >BTW, has anybody given it a try? Dan I doubt this is as good as the best that Ilford or Kodak have to offer. Why not spend the extra $1.00 and get Ilford ? Believe me, there can be long term issues with cheap films.
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Donald Qualls - 02 Sep 2004 03:43 GMT >>Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 >>film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to offer. Why not spend the extra $1.00 and get Ilford ? Believe me, > there can be long term issues with cheap films. As I understand it, the J&C Pro 100 film (the one that's this cheap) is rebranded Lucky. The Lucky film factory uses licensed Kodak technology, and the film they produce is said, by those who've tried it, to be every bit as good as current silver-based B&W offerings from Kodak, Ilford, and Fuji.
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Nicholas T. - 05 Sep 2004 11:28 GMT >>> Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 >>> film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > bit as good as current silver-based B&W offerings from Kodak, Ilford, > and Fuji. You are right that the J&C Pro *looks* like it is rebranded Lucky film. It comes in the same red packet--that much is for sure. However, Lucky SHD100 and the J&C pro films are NOT the same. I repeat they are NOT the same ;-) A friend and I have compared notes and this is what I know for sure. The SHD100 is a good looking film, with a clear base (not like that Forte s*it). It is fine grained and takes a long time to fix. All indications are that it is a high iodide film (modern characteristics) and *possibly* with T-grain technology. It does not stain very well. Nor does the SHD400 stain well. However, J&Cpro does stain well according to my friend. It also has a clear base, good grain and is cheap-as-chips (as we say here in NZ). It does not take a long time to fix. So, my theory is that J&C bought the rest of the old stock of Lucky film from when they did not have the Kodak technology. That is, they bought the old Lucky film.
Dan Quinn - 06 Sep 2004 00:42 GMT > >>> Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 > >>> film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > However, Lucky SHD100 and the J&C pro films are NOT the same. I did'nt see any SHD films listed at JandC.
> However, J&Cpro does stain well according to my friend. It also has a > clear base, good grain and is cheap-as-chips (as we say here in NZ). It > does not take a long time to fix. > So, my theory is that J&C bought the rest of the old stock of Lucky film > from when they did not have the Kodak technology. That is, they bought > the old Lucky film. "... old stock ..." It is not clear to me just which film MIGHT be " old stock". Dan
Dan Quinn - 29 Sep 2004 23:23 GMT > (Dan Quinn) wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bit as good as current silver-based B&W offerings from Kodak, Ilford, > and Fuji. I suppose those big three films are Acros, Tmax and Delta 100. I wonder if anybody has realy given it some 'time tested' testing. Dan
Donald Qualls - 30 Sep 2004 02:11 GMT >> (Dan Quinn) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I suppose those big three films are Acros, Tmax and Delta 100. I > wonder if anybody has realy given it some 'time tested' testing. Dan I don't know of anyone doing so, and I haven't used any of it myself (yet); it's only been available from J&C for a few weeks, and Lucky hasn't been on the shelves in this country for long even under its own name. I have heard that the Lucky 100 is like a hybrid of TMX and Plus-X; it is said to have some characteristics like T-grain, but be a conventional cubic grain emulsion.
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jjs - 30 Sep 2004 15:30 GMT > [...] I have heard that the Lucky 100 is like a hybrid of TMX and Plus-X; > it is said to have some characteristics like T-grain, but be a > conventional cubic grain emulsion. I can't picture how that's even possible. T-grain is one thing and conventional is entirely different. The flatness of Tgrain is what distinguishes the two.
Donald Qualls - 30 Sep 2004 18:54 GMT >>[...] I have heard that the Lucky 100 is like a hybrid of TMX and Plus-X; >>it is said to have some characteristics like T-grain, but be a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > conventional is entirely different. The flatness of Tgrain is what > distinguishes the two. Some of the other technology that Kodak has applied only to T-grain films, however, doesn't depend on the grain form -- the sensitizing or restraining dyes that alter the color response and make T-Max films separate clouds from sky without a filter (something Tri-X doesn't do well and Verichrome Pan did rather poorly), for instance. Applying those techniques to a modern cubical grain film will give it some of the characteristics of T-Max (color response, no shoulder, etc.), but trade off slightly higher silver content against less costly production (ripening processes that were well established and fairly well understood 80 years ago instead of 1980s technology for guiding grain formation). The silver price crisis that prompted T-grain films originally no longer exists as such, and the cost of silver in film is a tiny fraction of the final price in any case.
Mind you, this is hearsay on my part; I've never even handled Lucky film. But next time I have money to buy film, I plan to order ten or more rolls of the Pro 100 from J&C, along with a similar quantity of their Classic 400 -- considering I can shoot a roll of Pro 100 *and* one of Classic 400 for less than the cost of a fresh roll of either TMY or 400TX (at least in 120), I'd be an idiot not to order enough to get a discount.
I should check if they can still special order 320TXP in 9x12 cm via Fotoimpex, and at what minimum quantity, while I'm at it; what I have on hand will probably last me a year, but who knows how much longer I'll be able to get it, if it's even still available. Just think -- develop that stuff in Diafine and you have EI 800-1000 in a 1920s vintage plate camera, which makes hand holding in the "press photog" style a lot more practical (direct sun exposure f/32 @ 1/200, nicely within the range of my Tessar and Compur). Just remember, unexposed holders in the left pocket, exposed in the right. :)
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Zuul - 02 Sep 2004 00:37 GMT ----- Original Message -----
> Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 > film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll > at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse? > > BTW, has anybody given it a try? Dan Being new to medium format photography, I tried virtually all of the major ISO 100/125 films out there earlier this year. I settled in on JandC's Classic Pan 200 as my main work-a-day film, and have shot a couple dozen rolls of it this summer. With the right exposure and development, it produces really excellent results. I'm tempted to try JandC's new offering, but with Classic Pan 200 just a few cents more a roll, I will probably stick with the tried and true.
FWIW - my experience has been that CP200 exposes best at ISO 100. I develop it in HC110, Dil H, 16 minutes @ 20C - minimal agitation in the first 9 minutes. Shadow detail, sharpness, and grain are all excellent. I've also gotten good results using D76 and Rodinal with this film, but never really fine tuned the development with these.
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Travis Porco - 02 Sep 2004 01:11 GMT >----- Original Message -----
>> Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 >> film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll >> at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse?
>> BTW, has anybody given it a try? Dan
>Being new to medium format photography, I tried virtually all of the major >ISO 100/125 films out there earlier this year. I settled in on JandC's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >but with Classic Pan 200 just a few cents more a roll, I will probably stick >with the tried and true.
>FWIW - my experience has been that CP200 exposes best at ISO 100. I develop >it in HC110, Dil H, 16 minutes @ 20C - minimal agitation in the first 9 >minutes. Shadow detail, sharpness, and grain are all excellent. I've also >gotten good results using D76 and Rodinal with this film, but never really >fine tuned the development with these. Has anyone tried it with Xtol? (35 mm daylight tanks). thanks, -travis
Frank Pittel - 02 Sep 2004 02:03 GMT : ----- Original Message -----
: > Like to do photography on the cheap? I think J&C's $1.19 120 : > film is the lowest price that can be found. That's a one roll : > at a time price. Can anybody do better? or is it worse? : > : > BTW, has anybody given it a try? Dan
: Being new to medium format photography, I tried virtually all of the major : ISO 100/125 films out there earlier this year. I settled in on JandC's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : but with Classic Pan 200 just a few cents more a roll, I will probably stick : with the tried and true.
: FWIW - my experience has been that CP200 exposes best at ISO 100. I develop : it in HC110, Dil H, 16 minutes @ 20C - minimal agitation in the first 9 : minutes. Shadow detail, sharpness, and grain are all excellent. I've also : gotten good results using D76 and Rodinal with this film, but never really : fine tuned the development with these. My understanding is that the J&C films are "old" style silver rich films. I keep meaning to try them myself but I know people that have they get good results. Not one of them has any regrets about using their film.
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