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mp - 28 Aug 2004 21:07 GMT
I still have 5 bricks and a bit of 120 Verichrome Pan that I'm either going
to use or put up for sale (email privately if interested). I was using PMK
to process the negs but never really was able to get consistent, evenly
developed negs despite trying all sorts of tricks. Half the time the negs
turned out great, half the time there were processing irregularities such as
uneven density. And yes, I do have the book of Pyro and am very careful with
measurements, consistent agitation, timing, etc.

Since everything is now scanned, perhaps a staining developer is of
questionable benefit and something less toxic without requiring a post soak
is appealing. Can anyone suggest any off-the shelf developers? Has anyone
tried Rodinal with VP?

-mp
Donald Qualls - 29 Aug 2004 02:28 GMT
> I still have 5 bricks and a bit of 120 Verichrome Pan that I'm either going
> to use or put up for sale (email privately if interested). I was using PMK
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> is appealing. Can anyone suggest any off-the shelf developers? Has anyone
> tried Rodinal with VP?

That Verichrome Pan is probably just old -- you'd best send it to me for
proper disposal.  ;)

In all seriousness, if you don't want it, I'd be happy to put it through
my Kodak Reflex II, develop in HC-110 Dilution G, and enjoy the results.
 After I'm settled from next week's move (should be all under control
by October), I'd love to buy as much of it as I can afford -- it's been
20+ years since I've shot VP; I was away from photography when it was
discontinued, and the last I shot was in 620...

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mp - 29 Aug 2004 02:55 GMT
> In all seriousness, if you don't want it, I'd be happy to put it through
> my Kodak Reflex II, develop in HC-110 Dilution G, and enjoy the results.
>   After I'm settled from next week's move (should be all under control
> by October), I'd love to buy as much of it as I can afford -- it's been
> 20+ years since I've shot VP; I was away from photography when it was
> discontinued, and the last I shot was in 620...

I'll probably keep some and sell the rest. Unfortunately I don't have a
darkroom in my new place which makes processing more difficult. Good luck
with your move!
Donald Qualls - 29 Aug 2004 16:40 GMT
>>In all seriousness, if you don't want it, I'd be happy to put it through
>>my Kodak Reflex II, develop in HC-110 Dilution G, and enjoy the results.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> darkroom in my new place which makes processing more difficult. Good luck
> with your move!

If you can spare $40 to $50, you can buy a large changing bag (that's
new price, you might stumble onto a used one for half that, as I did).
I haven't got a darkroom either (hoping to rectify that with this or the
next move and some sweat), but I've been developing my own film since
last December using a set of stainless tanks and reels (8, 16, and 32 oz
tanks, 4x35 mm and 2x120 reels) I got for $30 on eBay, loading in my $25
changing bag and scanning the negatives on my $130 (shipped) 2400 ppi
glassless scanner.

You can probably improvise a darkroom good enough for printing
(enlarging papers run from about ISO 2 to 6, so it doesn't have to be as
dark as you'd need for changing film if you're careful not to leave
paper out longer than necessary) in a bathroom or laundry room, even a
closet if you use drums to process the prints -- a pain, but if you
already have the equipment it might be more accessible than buying a
good scanner for the negatives.  Alternately, there are still rental
darkrooms in a lot of locations where you can do your printing after
processing the negatives in your changing bag and daylight tank and
kitchen or bathroom sink.

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and don't expect them to be perfect.

mp - 29 Aug 2004 17:25 GMT
> If you can spare $40 to $50, you can buy a large changing bag (that's
> new price, you might stumble onto a used one for half that, as I did).
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> changing bag and scanning the negatives on my $130 (shipped) 2400 ppi
> glassless scanner.

Equipment isn't the problem. I'm just spoiled by the convenience of having
had a well equipped darkroom in a previous house.
Donald Qualls - 29 Aug 2004 20:58 GMT
>>If you can spare $40 to $50, you can buy a large changing bag (that's
>>new price, you might stumble onto a used one for half that, as I did).
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Equipment isn't the problem. I'm just spoiled by the convenience of having
> had a well equipped darkroom in a previous house.

Well.

There, I can't help you.

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Richard Knoppow - 29 Aug 2004 06:49 GMT
> I still have 5 bricks and a bit of 120 Verichrome Pan that I'm either going
> to use or put up for sale (email privately if interested). I was using PMK
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -mp

 I am curious what kind of inconsistencies you are getting.
 I used V-Pan until I ran out. Usual development was in D-76 diluted
1:1 but it works well in other developers as well. Rodinal is a very
convenient developer but is noticably grainier than most others, I
think you would have better results with D-76. I don't remember my
times and am where I can't look it up but think it was on the order of
8 to 10 minutes at 68F and agitation for 5 seconds every 30 seconds
(Nikor tank).

Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix.netcom.com
mp - 29 Aug 2004 17:14 GMT
>   I am curious what kind of inconsistencies you are getting.
>   I used V-Pan until I ran out. Usual development was in D-76 diluted
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 8 to 10 minutes at 68F and agitation for 5 seconds every 30 seconds
> (Nikor tank).

Mostly I find occasional variations in overall density. With other films and
developers the results are consistent and predictable, with VP/PMK it seems
to wander more than I like. Some rolls are on the thin side, others are
overdeveloped.
_?_//- 2222 - 29 Aug 2004 16:21 GMT
In my experience regardless of scanning or producing prints
PMK does yield better highlight seperation than alot of other developers
using a "N" development versus using N-, N-1 etc for the other
developers that exist.  I suppose its possible
the film could be causing the problems do to age, however I would
look at your metaborate solution,....usually its good for a month
or less (again in my experience).

> I still have 5 bricks and a bit of 120 Verichrome Pan that I'm either going
> to use or put up for sale (email privately if interested). I was using PMK
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -mp
mp - 29 Aug 2004 17:18 GMT
> In my experience regardless of scanning or producing prints
> PMK does yield better highlight seperation than alot of other developers
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> look at your metaborate solution,....usually its good for a month
> or less (again in my experience).

The film is stored in a freezer and the expiry is dated 01/2004, so the age
is the film is unlikely to be the problem.

Thanks for the tip on the metaborate. I wasn't aware of the one month
lifespan and mine must be five or six months old.
 
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