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why not calcium ?

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sreenath - 20 Aug 2004 08:20 GMT
Hi All,

Is there a specific reason why none of the processing formulas specify
a calcium salt? They are all either sodium or potassium salts.

What is the reason?

Thanks,
Sreenath
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Aug 2004 12:58 GMT
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>Thanks,
>Sreenath

aug2004 from Lloyd Erlick,

Calcium salts tend to be insoluble in water, or at least
soluble only with difficulty. If calcium and magnesium are
present in water, it is referred to as 'hard water'. In the
darkroom, substances such as Calgon (a brand-name for sodium
hexametaphosphate), and EDTA (available in two forms, with
either two or four sodium atoms) are used to react with the
calcium before other chemicals are added to the solution,
preventing insoluble salts of calcium from clouding the
solution.

Potassium salts tend to be highly soluble in water, and
hence suitable for concentrated solutions such as
commercially made stock solutions. Some people believe that
fiber base black and white papers develop with greater
warmth of tone in the presence of the potassium ion in the
print developer.

Sodium salts tend to be cheaper than their respective
potassium salts. Sodium salts tend to be less readily
soluble in water than potassium salts, but only slightly so.
Sodium salts are often much more readily available than
other forms.

regards,
--le
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Donald Qualls - 21 Aug 2004 17:13 GMT
>>Hi All,
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> Calcium salts tend to be insoluble in water, or at least
> soluble only with difficulty.

More specifically, nearly all photographic formulae for developers and
fixers contain sulfite, and calcium sulfite forms an insoluble "scum"
that can mark negatives -- even with the amount of calcium present in
ordinary "hard" tap water.  Adding calcium in the form of
carbonate/bicarbonate or hydroxide, as an alkali, for instance, would
make this into a major problem in any sulfited developer.

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PATRICK GAINER - 22 Aug 2004 02:47 GMT
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> Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
> and don't expect them to be perfect.

Calcium carbonate is limestone. Sodium carbonate and calcium anything would
be expected to make calcium carbonate and sodium anything. The calcium
carbonate will precipitate in basic solutions, which is what most developers
are.
John - 20 Aug 2004 13:20 GMT
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>Thanks,
>Sreenath

    Lower solubility and therefore a corresponding high risk of
leaving calcium deposits on the film.

Regards,

  John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com
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sreenath - 23 Aug 2004 08:26 GMT
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>    John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com
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Thanks for all the answers.

-Sreenath
 
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