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Dee54 - 14 Jul 2004 04:30 GMT

Anybody know where I can get Kodak's 'Crocien Scarlet', or a workable
substitute for retouching negs? It was mentioned in Photo Tech Mag back in
January of '03, (I think) but it doesn't show at B&H, Adorama, Photo.
Formulary, or Bostick and Sullivan.

Thanks, in advance, for any help.

D.

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Mike King - 14 Jul 2004 15:00 GMT

Veronica Cass has been teaching retouching for many years and has an online
store, she even sells the Adams retouching machine, BTW.

She has materials suitable for retouching color or BW negatives, prints and
for hand coloring. Also has books and classes.

Here's her link: http://www.veronicacass.com/index.ivnu

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> Anybody know where I can get Kodak's 'Crocien Scarlet', or a workable
> substitute for retouching negs? It was mentioned in Photo Tech Mag back in
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Mike King - 14 Jul 2004 15:24 GMT

You might also try to google for crocien, neo-crocien, neo-coccine or
http://www.gccdiagnostics.com/Dyes_Stains.htm Brilliant Crocien (not sure
it's the same stuff).

Or how about B&H (love Google):
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=2
6961&is=REG

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> Anybody know where I can get Kodak's 'Crocien Scarlet', or a workable
> substitute for retouching negs? It was mentioned in Photo Tech Mag back in
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Francis A. Miniter - 15 Jul 2004 02:32 GMT

I found that if you do an on-line search for sellers of
chemical dyes (or general chemical suppliers), you will find
several listings. I was fortunate a few years ago that a
generous member of this group sent me his supply that he no
longer used.

I should note that a little goes a long way. A small bottle
holding only a few ounces will probably last you a lifetime.

I should also note that you do not want to retouch the
negative directly but using a blank negative put into
registration with the negative in question. If the original
negative is small, get some Kodak SO-132 film and enlarge
the negative before working on the blank.

Francis A. Miniter

> Anybody know where I can get Kodak's 'Crocien Scarlet', or a workable
> substitute for retouching negs? It was mentioned in Photo Tech Mag back in
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> D.

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Francis A. Miniter - 15 Jul 2004 02:33 GMT

ps to last post. Try The Lab Depot. They have a web site.

Francis A. Miniter

> Anybody know where I can get Kodak's 'Crocien Scarlet', or a workable
> substitute for retouching negs? It was mentioned in Photo Tech Mag back in
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> D.

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Stephan Goldstein - 15 Jul 2004 11:51 GMT

Their web site lists two types of Crocein Scarlet - 3B (Acid Red 73) and
7B (Acid Orange 12). 3B is more expensive, so it's probably the one to
use :(, but does anyone know for sure?

TIA

steve

>ps to last post. Try The Lab Depot. They have a web site.
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Francis A. Miniter - 15 Jul 2004 17:25 GMT

The web site for A.K. Chemi-Dyes identifies Crocein Scarlet with Acid
Red 73. That makes sense. The purpose is to block light and therefore
the wavelength of the dye should be close to that of a red safelight.

Francis A. Miniter

>Their web site lists two types of Crocein Scarlet - 3B (Acid Red 73) and
>7B (Acid Orange 12). 3B is more expensive, so it's probably the one to
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Robert Vervoordt - 16 Jul 2004 09:06 GMT

>The web site for A.K. Chemi-Dyes identifies Crocein Scarlet with Acid
>Red 73. That makes sense. The purpose is to block light and therefore
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One note of caution when searching or discussing this topic; the
spelling. I believe Google and some other search engines will ask you
if you mean "Crocein" instead of "Crocien", but perhaps not. I
haven't tried it, myself.

Anyway, many of you are using the correct spelling, so it should be no
big "Whoops!" in this case.

Robert Vervoordt, MFA

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Alecj - 17 Jul 2004 03:24 GMT

> One note of caution when searching or discussing this topic; the
> spelling. I believe Google and some other search engines will ask you
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> Anyway, many of you are using the correct spelling, so it should be no
> big "Whoops!" in this case.

Well Robert, the Whoops is on you. The correct spelling IS Crocein, not
Crocien as you seem to indicate. Kodak makes it, and B&H DOES carry it:

http://tinyurl.com/68wrn

I suspect the reason Dee couldn't find it is that he is misspelling it.
Just check the site above and you'll see that's what Kodak calls it. If you
don't agree, argue with them!!!!!

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Robert Vervoordt - 17 Jul 2004 05:56 GMT

>> One note of caution when searching or discussing this topic; the
>> spelling. I believe Google and some other search engines will ask you
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>Just check the site above and you'll see that's what Kodak calls it. If you
>don't agree, argue with them!!!!!

Kodak calls it "Crocein", so that is the correct spelling, which is
what I meant. Sorry that it wasn't clear to you.

Perhaps we should share a "Whoops!".
Robert Vervoordt, MFA

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Richard Knoppow - 17 Jul 2004 08:24 GMT

> >> One note of caution when searching or discussing this topic; the
> >> spelling. I believe Google and some other search engines will ask you
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> Perhaps we should share a "Whoops!".
> Robert Vervoordt, MFA

I before E, except after C. With the usual exceptions
which it is English is full of.

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Robert Vervoordt - 17 Jul 2004 09:49 GMT

>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:24:58 -0500, "Alecj"
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> I before E, except after C. With the usual exceptions
>which it is English is full of.

You got that right.

Still lurking, after all these years. :)

Robert Vervoordt, MFA

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Tom - 17 Jul 2004 12:37 GMT

Sounds kind of tautologic anyways, Crocein Scarlet seems to translates to:
Scarlet Scarlet die. Just Crocein says it all. Oh well, all this argument gave
me a chance to look up a new word.

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>>One note of caution when searching or discussing this topic; the
>>spelling. I believe Google and some other search engines will ask you
>>if you mean "Crocein" instead of "Crocien", but perhaps not. I
>>haven't tried it, myself.

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Dee54 - 16 Jul 2004 23:05 GMT

Thanks to everyone, for all your help. An order goes in next week.
Great group!
D

> Anybody know where I can get Kodak's 'Crocien Scarlet', or a workable
> substitute for retouching negs? It was mentioned in Photo Tech Mag back in
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>
> D.

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