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Good darkroom floor mat for spills/easy cleaning?
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Some Dude - 13 Jul 2004 19:41 GMT Hi-
I'm in the market for a pretty sizable floor mat for a darkroom that has a wooden/metal/don't ask kind of floor. I'm looking for a size about 6' by 6'.
Other than using several "bathtub" slip mats I can't think of anything that would be big enough. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!
Cheers, -sd http://www.zoom.sh
Fred Leif - 13 Jul 2004 20:30 GMT Check out the 'locking' 2' x 2' mats available at auto supply stores ( like Kragen) ... reasonable cost, oil/solvent resistant. Cushions the feet. Doesn't have a tapered edge for transition to floor, but it's only about 1/2" thick ... so not a major trip hazard.
> Hi- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -sd > http://www.zoom.sh lost in space - 13 Jul 2004 23:07 GMT If these guys don't have it, well.....
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> Hi- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -sd > http://www.zoom.sh Donald Qualls - 14 Jul 2004 04:04 GMT > Hi- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Other than using several "bathtub" slip mats I can't think of anything > that would be big enough. Anyone have any ideas? Visit MSC (www.mscdirect.com) and look at their shop mats. These are foam, intended to ease standing for long periods at a work bench, neoprene, for good chemical resistance (they resist oils and solvents, should be fine for developer and fixer), and come in sizes from "welcome mat" to huge. And they're light weight, so shipping won't cost an arm and a leg.
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Mike King - 14 Jul 2004 14:52 GMT The mats I use are a red "rubber" compound and measure 1.3m x 1.3m (well 4x4 feet anyway), I got them used from a guy that bought them from a restaurant supply house. They are pierced for drainage and heavy enough to lay perfectly flat, I hose them off on the driveway in the summertime.
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> Hi- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -sd > http://www.zoom.sh Lloyd Erlick - 14 Jul 2004 16:27 GMT >Hi- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >-sd >http://www.zoom.sh jul1404 from Lloyd Erlick,
A scrap of carpet, with or without underlay, would be the zero cost solution.
No cleaning required, replace when required. A scrap of plain underlay, no carpet, would probably be good, too.
I used to do this for years. Whenever a 'new' scrap appeared on my garbage picker scopes, the former one disappeared. Carpet is good upside down, too, if the smoother surface is more appropriate.
If spending money is desirable, those interlocking perforated rubber fatigue mats are often available cheaply at places like Costco or Home Depot, or at boating supply outfits (for extra cost, of course, like buying a funnel in a photo store).
regards, --le
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Mike - 14 Jul 2004 18:31 GMT >>I'm in the market for a pretty sizable floor mat for a darkroom that >>has a wooden/metal/don't ask kind of floor. I'm looking for a size [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > A scrap of carpet, with or without underlay, would be the > zero cost solution. I was told that carpet is a dust magnet. I used to have carpet near my enlarger but then removed it for this reason.
Lloyd Erlick - 14 Jul 2004 23:59 GMT >>>I'm in the market for a pretty sizable floor mat for a darkroom that >>>has a wooden/metal/don't ask kind of floor. I'm looking for a size [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I was told that carpet is a dust magnet. I used to have carpet near my >enlarger but then removed it for this reason. well, true enough, although the dust on the carpet need not get into the enlarger. In any case, when the carpet gets too dirty, it still didn't cost anything. Time for it to go...
regards, --le
Some Dude - 16 Jul 2004 02:03 GMT Only thing I'd say about carpet is that you're not really cleaning up, you're just absorbing. So if you spill a bunch of fixer/whatever on the carpet then its instantly trash whereas mats can be sprayed off and reused indefinitely...
But yeah, carpet is definitely poorman technique! ;)
>>>>I'm in the market for a pretty sizable floor mat for a darkroom that >>>>has a wooden/metal/don't ask kind of floor. I'm looking for a size [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >regards, >--le Cheers, -sd http://www.zoom.sh
Lloyd Erlick - 16 Jul 2004 14:13 GMT >Only thing I'd say about carpet is that you're not really cleaning up, >you're just absorbing. So if you spill a bunch of fixer/whatever on >the carpet then its instantly trash whereas mats can be sprayed off >and reused indefinitely... > >But yeah, carpet is definitely poorman technique! ;) jul1604 from Lloyd Erlick,
Very true, especially 'poorman technique'.
But -- if we're going to talk about spilling chemicals -- maybe a large absorption device might be an advantage. The rubber mat cleans easily with a hose, no doubt about it, but it still leaves all your fixer on the floor. The carpet might catch most or all of it, leaving a minor amount scurrying under your sink or into the bottom of your walls...
But really, the floor covering is for comfort. The sink is for chemicals. My personal policy is that chemicals never leave the sink. Always handle chemicals in or over the sink, and spills never hit the floor. My floor has been wet many times, but water only. This is one of the reasons I like to use my solutions one-shot, and mix from dry powders to a working solution rather than perparing stock. A big jug of some chemical or other in water solution stored in the cabinet is just an invitation to a spill. Might as well use glass containers, just to add broken glass to the fun.
Ideally we'd all have nice waterproof floors with a drain. Hose down the floor, squeegee toward the drain, done.
I very foolishly discarded my last fatigue mat during my move. It came from the back alley; I had to trim away the parts torn up by truck traffic. It had all the advantages of carpet scrap (zero cost) as well as the cleanability of rubber. Too bad it was irregular, but so am I, so why did I throw it away? Silly boy.
regards, --le
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jjs - 16 Jul 2004 16:11 GMT Good darkroom mats are very expensive. I enjoyed having them when I was working for someone else, but since then I've opted for a plain, sealed cement floor and _good shoes_! See, the shoes can do double-duty - you can walk in them elsewhere, too. And it's easy to clean sealed cement. If you have a wood floor... well how about good old lineolum or something like it? You can get real bargains on the ugly looking stuff and you are in a _dark_ room, so what do you care? :)
Lloyd Erlick - 16 Jul 2004 18:04 GMT >Good darkroom mats are very expensive. I enjoyed having them when I was >working for someone else, but since then I've opted for a plain, sealed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You can get real bargains on the ugly looking stuff and you are in a _dark_ >room, so what do you care? :) jul1604 from Lloyd Erlick,
Absolutely, nice shoes. Even ugly ones if they're comfortable, eh?
However, even under such great shoes, a fatigue mat helps. At a minimum I like one in front of the enlarger and one at the paper developing place. When developing film I sit on a stool, in the dark, so I don't care about a mat.
regards, --le
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Some Dude - 14 Jul 2004 18:32 GMT Deluged with answers!
ahh, Usenet.
Thanks folks.
>Hi- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >-sd >http://www.zoom.sh Cheers, -sd http://www.zoom.sh
Some Dude - 19 Jul 2004 14:57 GMT I found pleated brown plastic rolls at Home Depot for $1.97/ft. They are about 28" wide and can easily be cut. It cost me about $16 for two sheets of 4x3' matting and I duck taped it down to the floor by the sink and it works most excellent! (Its not slippery when wet either). Its very thin but it works. I'm
About spilling chemicals: I don't spill them all the time, and I never work *not* over the sink usually but its gonna happen sooner or later, you're gonna spill an entire darkroom on the floor :)
Cheers, -sd http://www.zoom.sh
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