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durst 605  - help setting contrast for B/W papers

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Stefano Bramato - 13 Jul 2004 01:13 GMT
I heave two enalrgers:a durst m370 and a Meopta Opemus.
but i want to solve definitevely the dust&scrathes problem.
And I print  b/w.
And I bought used this enlarger another durst but a m605 with colour
head.Seem sturdy and good but a not havin a manual or online
features... i need to know how can i set the contrast for the
multigrade papers!
With previous enlagers I used to work with the 12 contrast sheets
made by Ilford but know having a colour head.. how can I do?
Have I to mix colours or there is some hide pot that can help me?

Thanks for this little help,
Stefano

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Nick Zentena - 13 Jul 2004 02:06 GMT
> I heave two enalrgers:a durst m370 and a Meopta Opemus.
> but i want to solve definitevely the dust&scrathes problem.
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> made by Ilford but know having a colour head.. how can I do?
> Have I to mix colours or there is some hide pot that can help me?

 Basically more yellow equals less contrast. More magenta equals more
contrast. If you're using Ilford papers check the Ilford website for thier
info on contrast. You can dial in filters for different grades. If you're
using different paper then you'll need to check with that company. One more
thing make sure you look for the Durst numbers. Different heads seem to use
slightly different numbers.

    Nick
Stefano Bramato - 13 Jul 2004 19:08 GMT
>   Basically more yellow equals less contrast. More magenta equals more
> contrast. If you're using Ilford papers check the Ilford website for thier
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>
>     Nick

thanks NIck!
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Jack Daniels Jr. - 13 Jul 2004 07:51 GMT
assuming that you are using the same standard durst max 130 head on
the 605 with 100W bulb and use Ilford MG-IV, maybe you have an
indication to start experimenting with these numbers (taken from the
Ilford manuals btw but quite acurate in my experience)
MG    Y    M
00    120    0
0    88    6
½    78    8
1    64    12
1 ½    53    17
2    45    24
2 ½    35    31
3    24    42
3 ½    17    53
4    10    69
4 ½    6    89
5    0    130

There is also the possibility to use just one filter, either Y or M to
reach the grades but you would have to modify exposure time as well.
Using 2 filters extends the exposure a bit but it reduces corrections
for different filterings.

have fun
Jack
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>I heave two enalrgers:a durst m370 and a Meopta Opemus.
>but i want to solve definitevely the dust&scrathes problem.
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>Thanks for this little help,
>Stefano
Stefano Bramato - 13 Jul 2004 19:07 GMT
> assuming that you are using the same standard durst max 130 head on
> the 605 with 100W bulb and use Ilford MG-IV, maybe you have an
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> Jack
> ===============

My head ends in 170... but wow.. thanks Jack!!
It's a rellay nice starting point!!

Ciao!

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Jack Daniels Jr. - 13 Jul 2004 20:32 GMT
well, in case of max 170, use these as initial values

MG    Y    M
00    115    0
0    100    5
½    88    7
1    75    10
1 ½    65    15
2    52    20
2 ½    42    28
3    34    45
3 ½    27    60
4    17    76
4 ½    10    105
5    0    170

Should be pretty close to the real world :-)

ciao
Jack
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>> assuming that you are using the same standard durst max 130 head on
>> the 605 with 100W bulb and use Ilford MG-IV, maybe you have an
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>
>Ciao!
Stefano Bramato - 13 Jul 2004 23:44 GMT
Il computer puo essere un grande strumento, ma in mano a Jack Daniels
Jr. sta a ved? che scrive sul niusgrup:
> well, in case of max 170, use these as initial values
>
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> ciao
> Jack

YO!
Thaaaaaanks a lot Jack!!
It should be close to real world and I will start to experiment as
soon as possible!!
Fantastic!!

Thanks and a big CIAo!!!!!!!!
Stefano
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Gilbert Dumont - 13 Jul 2004 18:31 GMT
>I heave two enalrgers:a durst m370 and a Meopta Opemus.
>but i want to solve definitevely the dust&scrathes problem.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>made by Ilford but know having a colour head.. how can I do?
>Have I to mix colours or there is some hide pot that can help me?

Hi Stefano,

the best thing you can do is buy the book: "Way beyond monochrome".
It's not only one of the best books on B&W printing actually
available, but it also explains in detail how to calibrate your own
Durst M605 colour head to print Variable Contrast B&W papers. This
book is excellent value for money.

Gilbert
Stefano Bramato - 13 Jul 2004 19:08 GMT
> Hi Stefano,
>
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>
> Gilbert
Is this book available on online stores or online boostores (f.e.
Amazon or similar?)

Thanks for nice suggestion,
Stefano

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Gilbert Dumont - 14 Jul 2004 00:12 GMT
>> Hi Stefano,
>>
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>Thanks for nice suggestion,
>Stefano

Look here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0863433545/qid%3D1089760242/202-4587582
-5844614


and here:

http://www.darkroomagic.com/

Good luck,
Gilbert
Stefano Bramato - 14 Jul 2004 14:00 GMT
> Look here:
>
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> Good luck,
> Gilbert

Perfect.
Thanks a lot and buona vita.

Stefano

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Hans Brouns - 14 Jul 2004 07:48 GMT
> > Hi Stefano,
> >
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> > Durst M605 colour head to print Variable Contrast B&W papers. This
> > book is excellent value for money.

Or The Variable Contrast Printing Manual --- $29.99
By Stephen G. Anchell Steve Anchell
With filters data abour Durst, Agaf, Ilford etc.
Hans

> > Gilbert
> Is this book available on online stores or online boostores (f.e.
> Amazon or similar?)
>
> Thanks for nice suggestion,
> Stefano
Claudio Bonavolta - 14 Jul 2004 23:23 GMT
> I heave two enalrgers:a durst m370 and a Meopta Opemus.
> but i want to solve definitevely the dust&scrathes problem.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks for this little help,
> Stefano

Ciao Stefano,

For Ilford Multigrade IV (and probably with all other manufacturers), you
can find the filtration in every box of paper ...
Basically: the more yellow, the softer, the more magenta the harder.

I prefer to use a color head for multigrade because you can adapt the
filtration to the paper in use (grades spacing, filters factors).
A couple of step wedges, one transparent and one reflection are sufficient.
Kodak and Stouffer sell them.
A MG filter set is dedicated to a specific paper (and type of light source)
and although it does work with other papers, it's rarely perfectly
optimized.
And, if you like this technique, a color head can be used for split-grade
printing (two exposures using a hard and soft filter)

With a color head you use both single (only one filter at a time) or double
(a mix of Y and M) filtering method.
- The single filtering method gives you more contrast range and more light
onto the paper but each grade has its own exposure factor.
- The double filtering method lets you have a constant exposure factor at
the cost of a somewhat reduced contrast range and light.
Like for commercial MG filters, you can set up your double-filtering method
so that the harder grades have an exposure factor twice the other grades.
This reduces the mentioned drawbacks.

For the double filtering method: http://www.butzi.net/articles/vcce.htm by
Paul Butzi
For the Split-Grade method an extract of  "Way beyond Monochrome" by Ralph
W. Lambrecht and Christopher Woodhouse:
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ktphotonics/pdf/BasicSplitGradePrinting.pdf
This book has more than that to offer:
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ktphotonics/wbm.html
There was also an article on color head calibration on this website but it
has been removed.

What I use ? The single filtering method coupled with a software that
integrates the filters factors, so I've the full contrast range, always the
maximum light available *and* ease of use ...

Ciao,
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http://www.bonavolta.ch

Stefano Bramato - 15 Jul 2004 00:25 GMT

> Ciao Stefano,
>
> For Ilford Multigrade IV (and probably with all other manufacturers), you
> can find the filtration in every box of paper ...
> Basically: the more yellow, the softer, the more magenta the harder.
[SNIP]

FANTASTIC!!

Ciao Claudio,
your post is simply fantastic: I saved it!!

I'm strongly interested to buy the book: "Way beyond monochrome".
Thanks for the very useful extract... I saved it too!!

Ciao e buona vita,
Stefano

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