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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / July 2004alternative processes - albumen and salted paper
I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted paper prints. There used to be a website http://www2.ari.net/glsmyth which appears to be no more accessible. Does anyone know the new URL or other sources of information on the web for said processes? > I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted > paper prints. > There used to be a website http://www2.ari.net/glsmyth which appears > to be no more accessible. Does anyone know the new URL or other > sources of information on the web for said processes? Try mousing around unblinkingeye.com -- there are articles there on salted paper, albumen printing, platinum/palladium, kallitype/van Dyke, argyrotype, cyanotype, tri-color gum with or without cynaotype for the cyan layer, faux ambrotype (gelatine liquid emulsion on glass -- real ambrotypes were collodion wet plates), even links to Daguerreotypy. There are many, many formulae. If you get through all of that stuff, you'll have done more alternate process photography than most people live long enough to find the time for.  SignatureI may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. Donald Qualls <silent1@ix.netcom.com> schrieb: >> I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted >> paper prints. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Try mousing around unblinkingeye.com -- [.........] Thanks Donald, this will keep me busy for quite a while. BTW one the the links seems to lead to the (new) website I had been looking for originally. Albumen --> http://glsmyth.freewebsites.com/AltProcesses/Articles/Albumen/albumen.htm but it produces a virus warning: contains a troyan horse, name JSKexlog-Briss.ldr :-(( > Donald Qualls <silent1@ix.netcom.com> schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > but it produces a virus warning: contains a troyan horse, name > JSKexlog-Briss.ldr :-(( That sounds like the latest worm that's been running around -- it infects servers, and then redirects part of an Internet Explorer browser connection to another site (which was apparently taken down sometime this past Friday) where the worm code attempts to transfer credit card information stored in the user's computer. Fortunately, I don't use IE to begin with, and Netscape (along with other Mozilla-based browsers) is not vulnerable to this attack. Also fortunately, it appears you're keeping your AV codes up to date. :) The inaccessibility may have been because of the redirection, before your AV was updated to warn you, but after the receiving site for the transmitted data was taken down. Good luck with albumen -- I've been thinking about trying salted paper, since it doesn't require a completely dark darkroom (blue/UV sensitive and very, very slow printing-out process), but I think I'll go for cyanotypes and tea toning instead; the two solutions keep well before combining, the UV sensitive material is safe under dim incandescent "white" light, and you "develop" with a water wash to remove the unexposed sensitive coating, while tea toning allows a range of final print color from the original blue through nearly neutral to brown or eggplant, depending on strength of tea and length of soaking time; the toning is also said to improve the longevity of cyanotype, which otherwise tends to fade due to alkaline environment and light exposure. SignatureI may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. Donald Qualls <silent1@ix.netcom.com> schrieb: >> Donald Qualls <silent1@ix.netcom.com> schrieb: >> >>>>I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted >>>>paper prints. [......] >>>Try mousing around unblinkingeye.com -- >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >because of the redirection, before your AV was updated to warn you, but >after the receiving site for the transmitted data was taken down. OT: I do have an old Netscape 4.73 on my computer but didn't use it lately because it seemed to be no more compatibel with some websites. I did not update the Netscape because I heared that the newer versions have some problems. Your experience? >Good luck with albumen -- I've been thinking about trying salted paper, >since it doesn't require a completely dark darkroom (blue/UV sensitive [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >toning is also said to improve the longevity of cyanotype, which >otherwise tends to fade due to alkaline environment and light exposure. For many years I had been working to improve the richness of the tonal range of my prints following the benchmarks of Adams, Weston etc. But lately I became kind of bored with this. Yesterday I had been to an exhibiton which showed albumen and salted paper prints by Kuehn and others of the early years of last century and I was struck by these prints. The Dmax of only 1.7 or so vs. the >2.2 of my barytas seems to make the difference between prose and lyrics. So I will give albumen and salted paper and perhaps also cyanotype&tea a try. BTW I saw your post in the thread How Photography works. I agree that "Michael Covington's explanation was correct", at least as the needs of the OP is concerned. It is not neccessary to go into the dephts of the quantum mechanics of the silver halide lattice, nor is aggressive non scientific opinion helpful. > Donald Qualls <silent1@ix.netcom.com> schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I did not update the Netscape because I heared that the newer versions > have some problems. Your experience? Netscape 6 was a dog -- a real memory hog and slower than hypoid gear oil in an icebox. Netscape 7 is a completely different animal; I use 7.1, and was extremely disappointed to learn, shortly after downloading it, that it was to be the last browser product developed under the Netscape name (AOL/Time-Warner killed the browser division). Fortunately, the Mozilla project continues in open source, using the same Gecko layout engine, and there are several Mozilla-based browsers available, some with integrated mail. I've stuck with Netscape 7.1 because I find it at least as reliable as Netscape 4.7x, not much slower on the same hardware and OS, and I'm used to the interface. There will certainly come a day when I'll have to get Mozilla or Opera -- but not very soon. > BTW I saw your post in the thread How Photography works. I agree that > "Michael Covington's explanation was correct", at least as the needs > of the OP is concerned. It is not neccessary to go into the dephts of > the quantum mechanics of the silver halide lattice, nor is aggressive > non scientific opinion helpful. I've had a couple people tell me Scarpitti was correct (well, one of them was Scarpitti), but I say again, if there were metallic silver in the latent image, it wouldn't be so damned impossible to detect exclusive of development. SignatureI may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. >OT: I do have an old Netscape 4.73 on my computer but didn't use it >lately because it seemed to be no more compatibel with some websites. >I did not update the Netscape because I heared that the newer versions >have some problems. Your experience? Mozilla 1.6 rocks. Had some difficulty with 1.7 crashing. Waiting for them to finish debugging the code and will give it another try as soon as 1.8 goes beta. Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com Please remove the "_" when replying via email > OT: I do have an old Netscape 4.73 on my computer but didn't use it > lately because it seemed to be no more compatibel with some websites. > I did not update the Netscape because I heared that the newer versions > have some problems. Your experience? I run Mozilla 1.4.2 (latest version that comes with my Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 ES distribution) and it works just fine. I find I can even look at Intel and Microsoft web sites, which I had problems with with earlier versions of Mozilla. N.B.: 1.4.2 is not the latest and greatest, but my distribution is targetted at those who want security and stability and do not need all the latest bells and whistles. Signature.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 08:25:00 up 1 day, 15:54, 3 users, load average: 4.00, 4.07, 4.11 > Donald Qualls <silent1@ix.netcom.com> schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BTW one the the links seems to lead to the (new) website I had been > looking for originally. Albumen --> http://glsmyth.freewebsites.com/AltProcesses/Articles/Albumen/albumen.htm > but it produces a virus warning: contains a troyan horse, name > JSKexlog-Briss.ldr :-(( I just get an error 404, i.e., the web site can't be found. I don't know what has happened to George Smyth. Write Dick Sullivan at Bostick and Sullivan, he might know. Signature--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com > I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted > paper prints. > There used to be a website http://www2.ari.net/glsmyth which appears > to be no more accessible. Does anyone know the new URL or other > sources of information on the web for said processes? There a few good web sites, try: http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsg/photo/faq.html http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/ There is also the Alternative Processes Mailing List. The archives with links to the FAQ and subscription instructions are at: http://www.usask.ca/lists/alt-photo-process/ Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com Thank you, Richard as usual your info is very helpful. Actually I found (Google) the URL I had mentioned in a post of yours of 1997 or so to this NG dickburk@ix.netcom.com (Richard Knoppow) schrieb: >> I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted >> paper prints. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Los Angeles, CA, USA >dickburk@ix.netcom.com >I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted >paper prints. >There used to be a website http://www2.ari.net/glsmyth which appears >to be no more accessible. Does anyone know the new URL or other >sources of information on the web for said processes? George Smyth's site is at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hmpi/ Also consider reading : Photo-Imaging: A Complete Guide to Alternative Processes Jill Enfield - Amphoto - ISBN: 0817453997 Coming into Focus: A Step-by-Step Guide to Alternative Photographic Printing Processes John Barnier - Chronicle Books - ISBN: 0811818942 Historic Photographic Processes Richard Farber - Watson-Guptill Publications - ISBN: 1880559935 IMO these are the three best publications available and deal with the aesthetic, practice and basic science of the process of using alternatives to silver. Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com Please remove the "_" when replying via email >I am looking for recipes / information how to do albumen and salted >paper prints. >There used to be a website http://www2.ari.net/glsmyth which appears >to be no more accessible. Does anyone know the new URL or other >sources of information on the web for said processes? Also, check out http://www.palaios.com/ Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.darkroompro.com Please remove the "_" when replying via email |
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