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Toning Book Tim Rudman

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Ken Smith - 07 May 2004 02:37 GMT
Page 32 of Tim Rudman's book, has me a little confused. I want the
Deep Brown of a 1 part B. (thiocarbamide) to 5 parts C. (sodium
hydroxide).

On the same page;
In the Rayco formula it states: 10g thiocarbamide, 5g Sodium
hydroxide, to 1 liter. Then states "Alter the color of the image by
varying the amount of sodium hydroxide between about 3 and 10g.

10g would result in only a 1 to 1 ratio which is mid brown. Right? Is
the addition of more sodium hydroxide not recommended? How then a 1:5?

Even the Defender Toner T1 (deep brown, slight purple) is only 1:2.

Just pump up the sodium hydroxide regardless of the wording/ formula?
Am I missing a stock/dilution aspect to this?
Sam G - 07 May 2004 03:54 GMT
The recipe I have used (I got originally from Eddie Ephraums' book on
landscape photog) is 100g thio diluted in water up to 1000 cc. And the same
quantity and dilution with sodium hydroxide.  These are your two stock
solution .  Then, take a total of 60 ml of the two solutions (for cooler
prints use 10ml of thio solution + 50 ml of sodium hydroxide; for warmer
prints, reverse the ratio; and any variation in between keeping the total of
the two troner solutions to 60 ml); dilute the 60 ml. with water up to a
total of 500 ml. to make the working toner.  I have been happy with the
results.  The stock solutions of the separate chemicals should last a long
time (at least a year).  I store the NaOH solution in glass (very
corrosive!!!). The mixed working toner apapparently has a short life and
should be discarded after one session.  As a final note, when you get a lot
of NaOH on board(ie.e, for cooler prints), there a chance of a scum forming
on the surface of the print.  I always dip the print through my stop
solution after toning but before rinsing to prevent this scum formation.

This has worked for me and, I recall, is consistent with the recipe in
Rudman's printing book.

Sam
Ken Smith - 07 May 2004 13:35 GMT
> The recipe I have used (I got originally from Eddie Ephraums' book on
> landscape photog) is 100g thio diluted in water up to 1000 cc. And the same
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> Sam

 Thanks Sam,

         I'm going to read Rudman's book again. I'm suprised things
aren't
 more clear as to these dilutions. But I could be misreading his
whole
 presentation. Plus this toning thing is open to myriad
interpretations.
 

          In the other post you mentioned that you used a potassium  
  ferricyanide, potassium bromide, AND iodide. For all the bleach
recipes
I've seen, I've never seen the bromide and the iodide together. Could
you
explain why you use this, and what the measure is?
Sam G - 12 May 2004 02:59 GMT
My error.  It was only ferri and KBr.  Having a moment of confusion.
Sam
Sam G - 12 May 2004 02:59 GMT
My error.  It was only ferri and KBr. (no iodide).  Must have had some
moment of confusion when I wrote that; sorry.
Sam
 
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