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Holding Kalogen's Blue

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Ken Smith - 09 May 2004 20:11 GMT
How to you reach archival status with a cold toned paper developed in
Kalogen Derivative? If I selenium tone it, I lose the blue. Is Sisten
a colorless preservative?
Richard Knoppow - 11 May 2004 16:28 GMT
> How to you reach archival status with a cold toned paper developed in
> Kalogen Derivative? If I selenium tone it, I lose the blue. Is Sisten
> a colorless preservative?

  Sistan or Fuji Ag-Guard provide image protection but not
as great as toning in a sulfiding toner. Gold toner will
preserve the blue color. Gold toner shifts the image color
toward blue and slightly intensifies it. Gold is very
effective in protecting the image but is expensive.

Kodak GP-1 Gold Protective Solution
Water                                750.0 ml
Gold Chloride (1% stock solution)     10.0 ml
Sodium Thiocyanate                    10.0 grams
Water to make                          1.0 liter

To  make the Gold Chloride solution dissolve 1.0 gram of
Gold Chloride in 100.0 ml of water. Gold Chloride comes in
1.0 gram containers.

Mix the Thiocyanate separately in 125 ml of water. Add it to
the Gold chloride solution slowly with rapid stirring.

The toner does not keep and should be mixed just before use.

For use treat well washed prints in the above solution for
10 minutes at 68F. Then wash for 10 minutes and dry as
usual.

The capacity of the above is about 30 8x10 prints per
gallon.

The long treatment time of GP-1 is probably excessive for RC
paper. But if used with RC the final wash can be much
shorter, no longer than 2 to 4 minutes.

 This toner will cause only a very slight shift to blue on
some papers and none on other papers.

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Alexis Neel - 12 May 2004 11:22 GMT
> How to you reach archival status with a cold toned paper developed in
> Kalogen Derivative? If I selenium tone it, I lose the blue. Is Sisten
> a colorless preservative?

Could you post, or point me to where I can find, the formula for
Kalogen Derivative?  I've never heard of it, but like the idea of
getting blue prints without gold toning

Thanks
Ken Smith - 12 May 2004 17:50 GMT
> > How to you reach archival status with a cold toned paper developed in
> > Kalogen Derivative? If I selenium tone it, I lose the blue. Is Sisten
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>
> Thanks

    I don't know where the name Kalogen Derivative came from, but the same
    formula is #67 Darkroom Cookbook Maxium Muir's Blue-Black Developer.

    Water (125 F)   750 ml
    sodium sulfite  180 grams
    hydroquinone     53 grams
    phenidon        2.2 grams
    benzotriazole   1.5 grams

    A white precipitate will form when the above ingrediants are dissolved in
    the order shown. This is normal. Allow to cool to about 75 F, then slowly
    and while stirring, gently add the following:

    sodium hydroxide  35 grams

    This will clear the solution. Bring water to 1 liter

    Dilute 1:5 or more for less blue.

    250ml stock to 1250 ml is only good for approx. ten prints (8x10?)

    Stock should last a month.
Ken Smith - 14 May 2004 02:35 GMT
> > > How to you reach archival status with a cold toned paper developed in
> > > Kalogen Derivative? If I selenium tone it, I lose the blue. Is Sisten
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>
>      Stock should last a month.

      I've found that a 1:5 dilution is neccesary for the full effect, that
      it lasts longer than 10 8x10's, and a short immersion in selenium is
      good for dusting off the obvious blue while leaving an excellent cold
      clean neutral black and white. I did leave all the blue in however on
      some high key snow scenes, and its quite lovely that way.
Alexis Neel - 14 May 2004 10:29 GMT
Ken,

Thanks.  That explains why I haven't heard of it.  I have heard of it
in its true name, although never tried it.  Do you like it?

Thanks again.

Alexis

> > > How to you reach archival status with a cold toned paper developed in
> > > Kalogen Derivative? If I selenium tone it, I lose the blue. Is Sisten
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>
>      Stock should last a month.
Ken Smith - 16 May 2004 14:20 GMT
> Ken,
>
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>
> Alexis

    I love the stuff. I use it on Forte's Polygrade, which is a neutral paper,
    and unless developed in a cold tone developer has a slight green cast to
    it like most non-warm papers. You can selenium tone the green out, but
    then it starts toward the reds. I like my black and white, black and white.
    With the Kalogen, or rather Maxium Muir's Blue/Black Developer, you start
    with blue and can acheive a perfectly neutral tone with a short selenium.
    Keep your eye on it though, or it will quickly go into red. With snow
    scenes, I leave it all blue, especially high key scenes. It's a real
    beauty. Who says developers don't vary much? This is a very useful means
    of arriving at expressive tones.

    Ken Smith
 
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