Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
PhotoKB Home
Discussion Groups
Digital Photography
Digital PhotoDSLR CamerasZLR CamerasPoint & Shoot Cameras
Film Photography
35 mmLarge FormatMedium formatDarkroomFilm and LabsOther Equipment
Photo Technique
Nature PhotographyPeople PhotographyTechnique General
General Photo Topics
General TopicsAustralian PhotographyUK Photography
DirectoryPhoto Clubs

Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / April 2004

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Update on trough development

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Ken Smith - 27 Apr 2004 01:39 GMT
I switched to trough development for my 120, to ensure even skies,
especially in
bright scenes, which included snow, but were also given considerable
exposure for shadow detail. I had been getting extra density on my
edges with reel development.

I build the troughs out of vinyl rain gutter. The end caps were placed
on 36 in.
troughs, allowing for 120 film and some space for hands on each end.
The trough
is just the right size not to use much more solution than a tank. I
fill it with 2000ml, but you don't actually need that much, 1200ml
would probably do.

Two rolls are developed at one time by holding them together base to
base with a clip, which also prevents curling. The film goes into the
developer evenly and
avoids any added development at any point on the film, which could
occur with the see-saw method. Agitation consisted of gentle moving of
solution, separating the base with a hand movement, and flipping the
top to the bottom.
I flipped the top to the bottom by twisting one end then slowly
continuing the twist the length of the film by hand.

After stop and fix. I turn the stop trough into a washer by laying a
hose from the faucet into and along the entire length of the trough,
with punctures along the length to ensure even washing. A plug at one
end is removed, and the waste water flows to the sink. The hole should
be small so as not to drain too fast.
If you use an acid stop instead of plain water, just make an extra
trough for the washer, so you don't have to recant the chemistry.

The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to
a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive
splash at the gutter end cap. But thats about it. Pretty smooth
operation, the space taken up is minor, and cost was $22.00

Ken Smith
d23 - 27 Apr 2004 02:11 GMT
So does it really work?
Charles
Nicholas O. Lindan - 27 Apr 2004 02:26 GMT
> The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to
> a container.

It appears your gutter needs a downspout!

Maybe bunghole at the corner of one end, with a suitable bung to keep the
solution in when required, would work.

Signature

Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio nolindan@ix.netcom.com
Consulting Engineer:  Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

Francis A. Miniter - 27 Apr 2004 04:53 GMT
>I switched to trough development for my 120, to ensure even skies,
>especially in
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
>Ken Smith

Hi Ken,

Once when I had to develop some ancient 116 format film that I found in
my father's attic, I did something similar.  I bought three (3) 36 inch
long plastic window planter liners, laid them on the counter and filled
them each with a solution (developer, stop, fix).   The only problem,
again as you had, was emptying the troughs without spilling anything.

Francis A. Miniter
Ken Smith - 27 Apr 2004 18:15 GMT
To answer the last three posts in succession.

The thing works, yes. very well. All skies taken print with no tonal
variation
save for the actual. This method however is a last resort, as many
apparently, have not had the edge density increase as I have, and use
reels with no problem.

My agitation with reels was not aggressive, and I haven't found out
why I should get uneveness. But as I've had bubbles, and uneveness on
occasion in the past, I just decided that's enough. It occured
infrequently, but it was still more than enough. They are too many
others things that can sabotage our precious images without adding
unreliable equipment to the mix.

As for a down spout. Sounds a bit unwieldy. I use a one shot
developer, water stop, and usually mix a plain fix used for the
session, then toss, so I don't really need to bother with recanting.
If others do, they can install a tap, or just slosh around with a big
funnel.

The long flower pots, were too large for me and I'd be wasting too
much
of my one shot solution developer. Besides I couldn't find one long
enough.
They were 30" with a true inside of 28", at all the marts, and
greenhouses I visited anyway. The 120 film needs at least 34".

I forgot to add that only a paper clip is needed at each end. Nothing
weighty,
just enough to prevent curl, and short as not to enter the picture
area.

Ken
Nicholas O. Lindan - 27 Apr 2004 18:27 GMT
"Ken Smith" <aldenphoto@aol.com>

> As for a down spout. Sounds a bit unwieldy.

Figuratively, Ken, figuratively.

"a bung hole with a bung in it"

 trans.

"a small hole at one end with a
small wine cork in it."

The destructions for use:

Place bunged hole over sink drain or container or ...
and remove bung.

Signature

Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio nolindan@ix.netcom.com
Consulting Engineer:  Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/

Robert Feinman - 27 Apr 2004 14:16 GMT
> The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to
> a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive
> splash at the gutter end cap. But thats about it. Pretty smooth
> operation, the space taken up is minor, and cost was $22.00
>
> Ken Smith

You can take the spout assembly from one of the wines that come in boxes
with a plastic bag inside and use it for your drain.
Signature

Robert D Feinman
Landscapes, Cityscapes and Panoramic Photographs
http://robertdfeinman.com
mail: robertdfeinman@netscape.net

Ken Smith - 28 Apr 2004 02:55 GMT
> > The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to
> > a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You can take the spout assembly from one of the wines that come in boxes
> with a plastic bag inside and use it for your drain.

  Yes. Thank You. I realize what a bunghole is. Yes, not a downspout.
Forgive me my misrepresentation. Righto.  Gotcha.

 Not really the issue, eh? The actual POINT of the whole thing is
even development to wide open spaces. A problem faced and resolved by
an actual
creative and expressive artist, Robert Adams. A giant of a contributor
to our
shared endevor of viability, vs. the simple widget promo and high
school cameo.

Making sure one acheives a glowing unfettered negative, be they skies
or
grey backdrops, and allowing the production of prints without undo
waste
brought on by dodging and burning, is truely my only concern. I
merely wish to contribute some minor increment to a newsgroup that has
benefited me as much as this one has. But yes, I understand the
pedestrian need to direct attention to failure, and act as a remedy.
There is a special position in corporations for this kind of trouble
shooter, is'nt there? What miracles would transpire if we actually
applied it to our wayward United Corporations of America, but I
degress.

Please excuse my bohemian excess, I'm stewed. Although not as pathetic
as a straight and sober need to communicate to fellows, thats for
sure.

Fly me to the moon...... and let me live between the stars.......
Ken Smith - 28 Apr 2004 03:31 GMT
> > The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to
> > a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You can take the spout assembly from one of the wines that come in boxes
> with a plastic bag inside and use it for your drain.

 But then I'd have to drink box wine. Dear God!! Are there no taps in
American Marts, and Hardware Hangers? Acually, I just double back a
1/4 inch tube and clamp it with a clothespin. Ta Da.

No matter how strategically I write these minor messages, they can
never avert the Helpful Hanks, that rush in to point out things such
as, how I can pour better. Call me...irresponsible.....
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2009 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.