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Update on trough development
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Ken Smith - 27 Apr 2004 01:39 GMT I switched to trough development for my 120, to ensure even skies, especially in bright scenes, which included snow, but were also given considerable exposure for shadow detail. I had been getting extra density on my edges with reel development.
I build the troughs out of vinyl rain gutter. The end caps were placed on 36 in. troughs, allowing for 120 film and some space for hands on each end. The trough is just the right size not to use much more solution than a tank. I fill it with 2000ml, but you don't actually need that much, 1200ml would probably do.
Two rolls are developed at one time by holding them together base to base with a clip, which also prevents curling. The film goes into the developer evenly and avoids any added development at any point on the film, which could occur with the see-saw method. Agitation consisted of gentle moving of solution, separating the base with a hand movement, and flipping the top to the bottom. I flipped the top to the bottom by twisting one end then slowly continuing the twist the length of the film by hand.
After stop and fix. I turn the stop trough into a washer by laying a hose from the faucet into and along the entire length of the trough, with punctures along the length to ensure even washing. A plug at one end is removed, and the waste water flows to the sink. The hole should be small so as not to drain too fast. If you use an acid stop instead of plain water, just make an extra trough for the washer, so you don't have to recant the chemistry.
The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive splash at the gutter end cap. But thats about it. Pretty smooth operation, the space taken up is minor, and cost was $22.00
Ken Smith
d23 - 27 Apr 2004 02:11 GMT So does it really work? Charles
Nicholas O. Lindan - 27 Apr 2004 02:26 GMT > The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to > a container. It appears your gutter needs a downspout!
Maybe bunghole at the corner of one end, with a suitable bung to keep the solution in when required, would work.
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Francis A. Miniter - 27 Apr 2004 04:53 GMT >I switched to trough development for my 120, to ensure even skies, >especially in [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Ken Smith Hi Ken,
Once when I had to develop some ancient 116 format film that I found in my father's attic, I did something similar. I bought three (3) 36 inch long plastic window planter liners, laid them on the counter and filled them each with a solution (developer, stop, fix). The only problem, again as you had, was emptying the troughs without spilling anything.
Francis A. Miniter
Ken Smith - 27 Apr 2004 18:15 GMT To answer the last three posts in succession.
The thing works, yes. very well. All skies taken print with no tonal variation save for the actual. This method however is a last resort, as many apparently, have not had the edge density increase as I have, and use reels with no problem.
My agitation with reels was not aggressive, and I haven't found out why I should get uneveness. But as I've had bubbles, and uneveness on occasion in the past, I just decided that's enough. It occured infrequently, but it was still more than enough. They are too many others things that can sabotage our precious images without adding unreliable equipment to the mix.
As for a down spout. Sounds a bit unwieldy. I use a one shot developer, water stop, and usually mix a plain fix used for the session, then toss, so I don't really need to bother with recanting. If others do, they can install a tap, or just slosh around with a big funnel.
The long flower pots, were too large for me and I'd be wasting too much of my one shot solution developer. Besides I couldn't find one long enough. They were 30" with a true inside of 28", at all the marts, and greenhouses I visited anyway. The 120 film needs at least 34".
I forgot to add that only a paper clip is needed at each end. Nothing weighty, just enough to prevent curl, and short as not to enter the picture area.
Ken
Nicholas O. Lindan - 27 Apr 2004 18:27 GMT "Ken Smith" <aldenphoto@aol.com>
> As for a down spout. Sounds a bit unwieldy. Figuratively, Ken, figuratively.
"a bung hole with a bung in it"
trans.
"a small hole at one end with a small wine cork in it."
The destructions for use:
Place bunged hole over sink drain or container or ... and remove bung.
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Robert Feinman - 27 Apr 2004 14:16 GMT > The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to > a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive > splash at the gutter end cap. But thats about it. Pretty smooth > operation, the space taken up is minor, and cost was $22.00 > > Ken Smith You can take the spout assembly from one of the wines that come in boxes with a plastic bag inside and use it for your drain.
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Ken Smith - 28 Apr 2004 02:55 GMT > > The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to > > a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You can take the spout assembly from one of the wines that come in boxes > with a plastic bag inside and use it for your drain. Yes. Thank You. I realize what a bunghole is. Yes, not a downspout. Forgive me my misrepresentation. Righto. Gotcha.
Not really the issue, eh? The actual POINT of the whole thing is even development to wide open spaces. A problem faced and resolved by an actual creative and expressive artist, Robert Adams. A giant of a contributor to our shared endevor of viability, vs. the simple widget promo and high school cameo.
Making sure one acheives a glowing unfettered negative, be they skies or grey backdrops, and allowing the production of prints without undo waste brought on by dodging and burning, is truely my only concern. I merely wish to contribute some minor increment to a newsgroup that has benefited me as much as this one has. But yes, I understand the pedestrian need to direct attention to failure, and act as a remedy. There is a special position in corporations for this kind of trouble shooter, is'nt there? What miracles would transpire if we actually applied it to our wayward United Corporations of America, but I degress. Please excuse my bohemian excess, I'm stewed. Although not as pathetic as a straight and sober need to communicate to fellows, thats for sure.
Fly me to the moon...... and let me live between the stars.......
Ken Smith - 28 Apr 2004 03:31 GMT > > The only problem I've encountered so far is returning any solution to > > a container. A large mouthed funnel would help control the excessive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You can take the spout assembly from one of the wines that come in boxes > with a plastic bag inside and use it for your drain. But then I'd have to drink box wine. Dear God!! Are there no taps in American Marts, and Hardware Hangers? Acually, I just double back a 1/4 inch tube and clamp it with a clothespin. Ta Da.
No matter how strategically I write these minor messages, they can never avert the Helpful Hanks, that rush in to point out things such as, how I can pour better. Call me...irresponsible.....
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