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Looking for an Economical Flow/Temp control.

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SofaKing - 17 Apr 2004 20:23 GMT
Currently I'm using a thermometer well on the end of my (<$30 BORG special)
brass "laundry" faucet to regulate temperature. It works -- well OK, I
guess. My flow rates are a bit of an unknown to me at present. Is there an
economical automatic flow/temp controller that anyone would care to
recommend? The run from my darkroom to my hot water tank is pretty long so
I'm spending more time than I'd like futsing with my temperature. Thx.
Bruce - 18 Apr 2004 00:08 GMT
SNIP>. Is there an economical automatic flow/temp controller...end snip

NO.  Unless you figure several hundred dollars can be economical for this.
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Donald Qualls - 18 Apr 2004 22:18 GMT
> The run from my darkroom to my hot water tank is pretty long so
> I'm spending more time than I'd like futsing with my temperature. Thx.

I can't help you with economical flow/temperature controls, but I can
suggest a way to minimize your futzing with the temperature.  Start by
running just the hot until it's as hot as it will get, and then adjust
your flow and temperature -- even a low flow rate will keep the water in
the pipe hot enough you'll only need to check temperature every few
minutes, instead of watching it like a hawk, and it should settle down
completely in under ten minutes.  If you do this before you start to
print, or before you pour in the developer for film developing, you'll
waste a bit of water, but avoid problems with temperature fluctuations
without spending lots of money.

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Dan Quinn - 19 Apr 2004 00:45 GMT
 What is it, one roll of film through the soup and you are ready for
automatic flow/temp controll?
 Perhaps it's too cold or too hot in your darkroom? Have you thought
of keeping two or three gallon jugs of water where a good temperature
can be reached?
 Have you lots of electricity available? There is a tankless
water heater made just for darkroom use which I believe sells for
less than the mixing valve type. I'll check it out and let
you know.                                                     Dan
LDR - 19 Apr 2004 05:41 GMT
piggyback

Perhaps the unspoken reason your wanting a flow/temp valve is because
they look neat over the sink--not a reason I would poke fun at because
such a reason was among several at play when I got mine. I have an old
Power unit, paid $100 for it quite a few years ago, and it was old even
then.

Don't know what used ones go for now, but I know they are available, a
la ebay, various net groups, etc.

NOt incidentally, while admitting my minimal needs are frivolous
justification for the valve, it is nice to have and it does work.

Anyway, don't let the Calvanist darkroom puritian monsters among us stop
you from indulging yourself; you, like me, deserve it. Go for it!! :-)
SofaKing - 19 Apr 2004 15:22 GMT
Yeah pretty much ready for it after processing one roll -- once I realized
what my water bill and electric bill were going to be in the next 12 months
I figure even a $500 controller would pay for itself within 24 months (~$20
a month) even at moderate to low use. An old darkroom guy (what is the
correct term for them?) once told me it's all about controlling your
process. So to that end it's going to speed up mixing chemicals, running
temp baths, washing. When time is the enemy the last thing I need is to be
waiting and worrying about the water temp. So to that end there's an
aggravation factor which gives flow/temp control a value too. No I don't
really want to spend $500 right now. Quick and dirty will do. I'm
contemplating building my own using solenoids and a PIC or STAMP
microcontroller. It would be a neat project, multiple thermometers, I'm
estimating the cost could be less than $200 for the DIYer. The tankless are
a neat idea (I've looked into them for my house) but with the temp
controller added on their cost about $800 to $1000 and then you need to pull
a 50 to 100 amp circuit or run gas lines, and they're noisy. Not practical
in my case.

>   What is it, one roll of film through the soup and you are ready for
> automatic flow/temp controll?
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> less than the mixing valve type. I'll check it out and let
> you know.                                                     Dan
Nick Zentena - 19 Apr 2004 15:43 GMT
> Yeah pretty much ready for it after processing one roll -- once I realized
> what my water bill and electric bill were going to be in the next 12 months
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> a 50 to 100 amp circuit or run gas lines, and they're noisy. Not practical
> in my case.

 What are you using the water for? Wash water? Tempering chemicals? What?
You can build a termpering box for about $50 that is good enough for colour.
Less if you have an old picnic cooler. Wash water? Use the ilford wash
method.

Nick
CCD - 19 Apr 2004 15:48 GMT
Check out this link. A student project for a shower temp regulator. Looks to
be very close to what is needed.

http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=Basic+stamp+%22water+temperature%22+sensor
&ei=UTF-8&n=20&fl=0&u=science.gcc.edu/elce/projects/2001/autoshower/docs/final_d
esign_paper.doc&w=basic+stamp+%22water+temperature%22+sensor&d=92D13D2B92&c=483&
yc=49400&icp=1


> Yeah pretty much ready for it after processing one roll -- once I realized
> what my water bill and electric bill were going to be in the next 12 months
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> > less than the mixing valve type. I'll check it out and let
> > you know.                                                     Dan
Dan Quinn - 27 Apr 2004 22:35 GMT
> Yeah pretty much ready for it after processing one roll -- once I realized
> what my water bill and electric bill were going to be in the next 12 months
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> > less than the mixing valve type. I'll check it out and let
> > you know.                                                     Dan

   A brand new eemax is $229; +/- .5*F. The darkroom thermostate may
or may not add to that. Eemax and others are plentiful on eBay.   Dan
 
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