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Beseler 23c and DGA Colorhead

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Mike Johnson - 14 Apr 2004 20:32 GMT
I've done a lot of searching in this newsgroup, but cant find the
answers.  I purchased a Beseler 23c Series II enlarger on Ebay.  It
doesnt seem to have all of the parts.  And I'm not sure what parts I'm
missing and what they do.  It came with a DGA color head.  I've
searched around and been able to identify some of the pieces.  The DGA
Colorhead has the Conic Light Integrator attached to it.  The upper
assembly has clear glass condensor lens inside.  There is no heat
absorbing glass anywhere.

I believe it is setup for "Condensor Mode"  Is that correct?  Can I
use this mode to print both color and B&W.  I will be mostly printing
color w/ the occasional black and white.

How do I convert to diffused mode?  When is diffused mode necessary?
I've seen references to a hex-cell diffuser.  Where does this go?
I've also seen references to a diffuser lens that replaces the
condensor lens.

I dont have any heat absorbing glass.  Do I need this?  I am going to
be using the 200W DGA lamp.  Can I substitute tempered glass or even
plexiglass?  Thanks for any help.
Mike - 14 Apr 2004 21:12 GMT
> I've done a lot of searching in this newsgroup, but cant find the
> answers.  I purchased a Beseler 23c Series II enlarger on Ebay.  It
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> assembly has clear glass condensor lens inside.  There is no heat
> absorbing glass anywhere.

I have the same enlarger.

> I believe it is setup for "Condensor Mode"  Is that correct?  Can I
> use this mode to print both color and B&W.  I will be mostly printing
> color w/ the occasional black and white.

Yes, if the Conic Light Integrator is attached, it is setup for condensor
mode.  You can use this to print both B&W and color and I do exactly this.

> How do I convert to diffused mode?  When is diffused mode necessary?
> I've seen references to a hex-cell diffuser.  Where does this go?
> I've also seen references to a diffuser lens that replaces the
> condensor lens.

The hex-cell diffuser goes in place of the Conic Light Integrator.  You
then also need to replace the condensor glass assembly with the diffuser
assembly.

My advice?  Don't bother trying to find the hex-cell and diffuser
assembly unless you really really want it. I have tried both setups and
actually prefer the condensor. My B&W prints seem snappier and require
less development time (reducing grain).  For color, you don't get these
benefits.  The only benefit you get is shorter printing times as the light
from the condensor is much more intense.  This does allow you to use
smaller apertures on your enlarging lens though which might be a benefit
for you (and makes enlarger alignment less critical).

People say that the diffuser reduces effects of dust and other defects.  I
didn't notice the difference really.  Dust effected me in both setups and
the diffuser didn't do any magic for me.  

> I dont have any heat absorbing glass.  Do I need this?  I am going to
> be using the 200W DGA lamp.  Can I substitute tempered glass or even
> plexiglass?  Thanks for any help.

I'm not sure.  I have heat absorbing glass.  For one, you won't be using
printing filters so heat won't effect them.  But I'm not sure about
negative popping.  Hopefully someone can provide you this answer.  

--Mike
Stefan Patric - 15 Apr 2004 03:17 GMT
> I've done a lot of searching in this newsgroup, but cant find the
> answers.  I purchased a Beseler 23c Series II enlarger on Ebay.  It
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> be using the 200W DGA lamp.  Can I substitute tempered glass or even
> plexiglass?  Thanks for any help.

This URL should be of help:  http://www.beselerphoto.com/photofront.html

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Mike Johnson - 15 Apr 2004 23:37 GMT
Thanks for the link.  I've actually been all around the Beseler
website, however it doesnt answer any of the specific questions I have
below.  Can anyone help out?  Thanks!

> > I've done a lot of searching in this newsgroup, but cant find the
> > answers.  I purchased a Beseler 23c Series II enlarger on Ebay.  It
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>
> This URL should be of help:  http://www.beselerphoto.com/photofront.html
Stefan Patric - 16 Apr 2004 02:51 GMT
> Thanks for the link.  I've actually been all around the Beseler
> website, however it doesnt answer any of the specific questions I have
> below.  Can anyone help out?  Thanks!

Did you contact tech support?  Also, see if customer support will send
you the user manuals for both the enlarger and color head.  The last
time I checked, Beseler had pdf parts diagrams and lists for their
stuff available on the website.

I'll try to answer your questions below.  I used to own a 23C II with
both the standard condenser head and Dual Dichroic Color head.



>> > I've done a lot of searching in this newsgroup, but cant find the
>> > answers.  I purchased a Beseler 23c Series II enlarger on Ebay.  It
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>> > use this mode to print both color and B&W.  I will be mostly
>> > printing color w/ the occasional black and white.

Yes.  The Integrator is designed to be used only with the double
condenser lens assembly, which fits above the negative stage.  There
should be a filter drawer above the condenser.  This is where the heat
absorbing glass goes along with any filters, if you use them.

>> > How do I convert to diffused mode?  When is diffused mode
>> > necessary?
>> > I've seen references to a hex-cell diffuser.  Where does this go?
>> > I've also seen references to a diffuser lens that replaces the
>> > condensor lens.

For diffusion mode, you use the hex-cell unit.  It replaces the
Condenser Light Integrator and focuses the lamps light.  You also need
the diffusion box.  It is the same size as the condensor assembly and
replaces it.  The diffusion box should have two diffusers -- one at the
top of the box and one at the bottom.  The hex-cell unit should focus a
circle of light that totally covers the top diffuser.

Caveat:  the diffusion configuration looses about 3 to 4 stops of light
compared to the condenser setup.  It makes it difficult to see and
compose, and makes long printing times.  I solved this problem by using
the condenser assembly, and removing the top diffuser from the
diffusion box and placing it on top of the top condensor lens.  I still
have a mostly diffusion light head.  The condensers can't focus the
broad light source created by using a diffuser on top of the condenser
assembly.  Plus, an added advantage is the light output is about 2
stops brighter than the standard diffusion head configured by the book.

>> > I dont have any heat absorbing glass.  Do I need this?  I am going
>> > to
>> > be using the 200W DGA lamp.  Can I substitute tempered glass or
>> > even
>> > plexiglass?  Thanks for any help.

It's advisable to use the head absorbing glass, particularly when
printing color.  It prevents heat from getting to the negative and
damaging it and with color, shifting the color balance.

Tempered glass or plex won't work.  Head absorbing glass is designed
especially to filter out infra-red light -- heat.  Regular glass,
tempered glass, crown glass, plexiglass, etc. don't do that.

>> This URL should be of help:
>> http://www.beselerphoto.com/photofront.html

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Craig Schroeder - 16 Apr 2004 14:13 GMT
You've gotten some good info already and I'll only add from a similar
sequence I went through a few years ago when I bought a Dual Dichro
head for my trusty old 23CII.

I had been using an Aristo cold light for many years and decided to
buy a dichro head when I saw they were so affordable on the auction
site.  Mine came with a light integrator but it wasn't attached and
still in the box.  Mine didn't come with the diffusers and I simply
used the milk glass cover from my just-removed Aristo.  I was lucky as
it gave me almost perfect evenness of light and retained much of the
light output.  I shoot mostly medium format, my paper exposures run
from 8 to 20 seconds but when printing 35mm, I can be up in the 30
second range at times.

In retrospect, I'm glad I ended up with the Dichro as I now have it
tuned and find it very intuitive to use.  I see less dust spot issues
and tweaking in just the right contrast can make or break certain
negatives.  Once you get it sorted out, I think you'll like it.

PS-  The upper bellows position can make more difference on even
illumination that you might initially guess and I've found it safer to
keep it compressed down for most everything.
Mike Johnson - 17 Apr 2004 16:06 GMT
Thanks for the replies everyone.  That helps out a lot.  Another
question I have is regarding the lens board.  Beseler lists two lens
boards, an 8021 and an 8023.  The 8021 has a counterbore on the face
and the 8023 has a counterbore on the rear.  Their catalog says the
8021 is for the 50MM lens and the 8023 is for the 75MM lens.  I intend
on enlarging medium format and 35mm.  I have an 8021 lens board and a
50MM and 75MM lens.  The 75MM lens seems to fit just fine in the 8021
lens board.  Any reason that I would need to get the 8023?  Am I
missing something.  I dont see what difference the counterbore would
make.  Thanks!

> You've gotten some good info already and I'll only add from a similar
> sequence I went through a few years ago when I bought a Dual Dichro
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> illumination that you might initially guess and I've found it safer to
> keep it compressed down for most everything.
RWatson767 - 17 Apr 2004 19:17 GMT
Mike
>Re: Beseler 23c and DGA Colorhead

 I dont see what difference the counterbore would make.  Thanks!

On some lenses the thread mounting length is insufficient to securely mount the
lens without the lens board being counterbored.
In the past there were mounting rings/nuts that had a notch/recess that took
care of this. But the hole in the lensboard was larger to accomodate this.
Thus the different lensboards. And this counterbore need is not limited to
Beseler. It is common in all board mounted lenses.

Bob  AZ
 
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