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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Darkroom / April 2004expired RA-4 in cold storage
I have the opportunity to buy some expired Ilford Deluxe RA-4 paper (polyester-based) for about 10% of the cost of new stuff. It expired in 1996 and was supposedly cold-stored. Thoughts? Yes, I already googled a bit. > I have the opportunity to buy some expired Ilford Deluxe RA-4 paper > (polyester-based) for about 10% of the cost of new stuff. > > It expired in 1996 and was supposedly cold-stored. > > Thoughts? Yes, I already googled a bit. Ilford RA Color paper does not have that good of color to begin with. I tried it new and went humbly back to Kodak after one box. My opinion is they should give it to you as a favor for saying you'll try it !!!  SignatureLF website http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank <<<For best results expand this window at least 6" at 1152 x 768 resolution > Ilford RA Color paper does not have that good of color > to begin with. I tried it new and went humbly back to > Kodak after one box. My opinion is they should give it > to you as a favor for saying you'll try it !!! Even the Deluxe polyester stuff? I've read that Ilford's RC RA-4 paper is just re-badged crap from Mitsubishi or some other company. However the Deluxe polyester is supposedly manufactured by Ilford in the UK. > > Ilford RA Color paper does not have that good of color > > to begin with. I tried it new and went humbly back to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just re-badged crap from Mitsubishi or some other company. However the > Deluxe polyester is supposedly manufactured by Ilford in the UK. I don't recall you stating it was the "Deluxe"Polyester paper. I have not used that - I think. Like Alan states, I would try it first before buying alot of it. 10% is not that good of a discount if the paper sucks or is foobared, especially if you are buying alot and its costing alot. SignatureLF website http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank <<<For best results expand this window at least 6" at 1152 x 768 resolution > I have the opportunity to buy some expired Ilford Deluxe RA-4 paper > (polyester-based) for about 10% of the cost of new stuff. > It expired in 1996 and was supposedly cold-stored. > Thoughts? Yes, I already googled a bit. I'v never used Ilford paper, so this may be irrelevant. We use Kodak paper in our processors at work, and they usually have a year to 18 month shelf life when they get to us.If it is kept cool, in dry storage, then it is usually good still after 2 years.If it gets even slightly damp,or kept at over 20degrees, then it goes off in little over 6 months. I 'inherited' a processor off another site a few months ago, and changed the chemicals etc to get it running.I left the paper in place as it was just in date.The resulting pics were pretty poor, with,instead of the pure white borders, very 'cream' borders.I thought I'd made a mistake with the dev, so changed that again, and it didnt get any better - the paper was ruined, the previous operator had obviously left it inside the processor for months before fitting it(at 40degrees).A new paper roll restored the quality. So, no, I'd never recommend old film/paper for general use,unless you know exactly how it has been stored,but, saying that, if you get a chance to test it, and its OK, then get some at that price, but dont buy 500 sheets without testing it! Alan. SignatureTo reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. http://www.dvatc.co.uk - Off-road cycling in the North Midlands. > I have the opportunity to buy some expired Ilford Deluxe RA-4 paper > (polyester-based) for about 10% of the cost of new stuff. > > It expired in 1996 and was supposedly cold-stored. > > Thoughts? Yes, I already googled a bit. While I've never been shy about a discount price on dated material, I generally agree with the trend of replies posted: 1. 1996 is so old that you have no idea if it's any good, even if frozen. The cost of processing chemistry requires a sample be provided and pass "muster" just to consider any deal. 2. 10% off is no deal at all. That's probably a good deal more than the full list for the stuff in 1996. Recommend: test it of pass; if its passes, 50 - 60% off or pass again. >> I have the opportunity to buy some expired Ilford Deluxe RA-4 paper >> (polyester-based) for about 10% of the cost of new stuff. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 2. 10% off is no deal at all. That's probably a good deal more than the > full list for the stuff in 1996. I think he is saying it's 90% off. 10% of the cost of new stuff. Nick The cost of 50 sheets of this stuff at B&H is $98. I'm rolling the dice and am going to try it for $15 (plus $6 to ship it). I will report my results. > While I've never been shy about a discount price on dated material, I > generally agree with the trend of replies posted: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Recommend: test it of pass; if its passes, 50 - 60% off or pass > again. On 4/12/2004 8:24 PM Mike spake thus: > The cost of 50 sheets of this stuff at B&H is $98. I'm rolling the dice > and am going to try it for $15 (plus $6 to ship it). I will report my > results. Sheesh. At that price, the only question is, why not? SignatureMy coffee was beginning to wear off and with it the momentary illusion it gives that things are Right and life is Good. - James Thurber, from the short story _The Black Magic of Barney Haller_ > On 4/12/2004 8:24 PM Mike spake thus: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sheesh. At that price, the only question is, why not? Sheesh, David. Look at the time. Don't you ever sleep? >The cost of 50 sheets of this stuff at B&H is $98. I'm rolling the dice >and am going to try it for $15 (plus $6 to ship it). I will report my >results. The test will be in the borders. Old paper will be cream in color vs a true white. If this is the case and the cream color is not near the color of stright yellow, then it will work for borderless prints. Now combine this with old developer and you get yellow highlights and blue shadows. Use this result to print a crossed magenta highlight /green shadowed negative and ..... Larry |
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