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lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 02 Apr 2004 04:44 GMT
apr204 from Lloyd Erlick,

It's spring and the little red ants are trailing across my kitchen
floor.

The ant killing products at the store all had an ingredient in common:
borax, varying from five to ten per cent. In peanut butter. The
packaging carried dire warnings - peanuts are dangerous.

Well, my darkroom has no borax, I'm sorry to say. I could not mix a
tablepsoon of borax into a blob of peanut butter to send home to the
ant queen. So I spent three bucks on three tiny little cans of peanut
butter and borax. I could have splurged on the 100 ml squirt bottle of
seven per cent borax in water. Just put drops where ants hang out. I
suppose it had some sugar, too. Four bucks.

regards,
--le
drhowarddrfinedrhoward - 02 Apr 2004 05:01 GMT
No more ants?
lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 02 Apr 2004 13:43 GMT
>No more ants?

---
Just put them out yesterday, I think the poor ant colony needs a week
to suffer.
--le
Jorge Omar - 02 Apr 2004 14:21 GMT
Borates will do the trick (borax, boric acid).
Do a google for boric acid insects (ants, roaches) or alike and there's a
lot in the WEB. Woks for almost any insect if you make the right bait,
but it takes a few days.

Jorge

lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com wrote in news:funq609m814iot2lpc73315o3s0dldsa8d@
4ax.com:

>>No more ants?
>
> ---
> Just put them out yesterday, I think the poor ant colony needs a week
> to suffer.
> --le
Lew - 02 Apr 2004 05:59 GMT
I thought the otc bug stuff was boric acid, not borax.
-Lew
John - 02 Apr 2004 09:41 GMT
>I thought the otc bug stuff was boric acid, not borax.
>-Lew

    Yep. Works for athletes foot as well.

Regards,

  John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com
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lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 02 Apr 2004 13:54 GMT
>>I thought the otc bug stuff was boric acid, not borax.
>>-Lew
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>
>   John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com

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No kidding!? The things you learn from the darkroom! Boric acid is
available at the pharmacy around here, but do you think those twenty
thousand mules can drag any borax north of the border?? I'm going to
have to start extracting it from ant killing peanut butter.
--le
Nick Zentena - 02 Apr 2004 14:23 GMT
lloydNO@nothe-wire.com wrote:

> ---
> No kidding!? The things you learn from the darkroom! Boric acid is
> available at the pharmacy around here, but do you think those twenty
> thousand mules can drag any borax north of the border?? I'm going to
> have to start extracting it from ant killing peanut butter.

 Eh? The local grocery store stocks it in  the laundry section.
 
 Nick
lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 03 Apr 2004 14:48 GMT
>lloydNO@nothe-wire.com wrote:
>>
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>  
>  Nick

apr304 from Lloyd Erlick,

It doesn't seem to appear on the shelves in Canada. An American friend
of mine has sometimes remarked on it, on those rare occasions when we
have discussed doing the laundry! I can get it from my friendly local
chemical supplier, but actually have had very little use for it so
far.

regards,
--le
Nick Zentena - 03 Apr 2004 15:14 GMT
lloydNO@nothe-wire.com wrote:

> apr304 from Lloyd Erlick,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> chemical supplier, but actually have had very little use for it so
> far.

 It's in this part of Toronto. It wouldn't suprise me if it's on the same
spot on the shelf of all Fortinos or Loblaws stores. Made in the US but
standard Canadian packaging.

    Nick
Andrew Price - 03 Apr 2004 22:09 GMT
>> It doesn't seem to appear on the shelves in Canada. An American friend
>> of mine has sometimes remarked on it, on those rare occasions when we
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It's in this part of Toronto. It wouldn't suprise me if it's on the same
>spot on the shelf of all Fortinos or Loblaws stores.

Pardon what may appear to be a silly question, but what is borax
actually used for in the laundry?
Nick Zentena - 03 Apr 2004 23:24 GMT
> Pardon what may appear to be a silly question, but what is borax
> actually used for in the laundry?

 Laundry?? Hell if I know-) It's in some darkroom formulas so I picked some
up.

   Nick
James Robinson - 04 Apr 2004 01:15 GMT
> Pardon what may appear to be a silly question, but what is borax
> actually used for in the laundry?

A detergent booster.  It can also be used as a general cleaner.
drhowarddrfinedrhoward - 04 Apr 2004 01:45 GMT
John - 04 Apr 2004 07:49 GMT
>Pardon what may appear to be a silly question, but what is borax
>actually used for in the laundry?

http://www.dialcorp.com/index.cfm?page_id=56

Regards,

  John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 04 Apr 2004 19:48 GMT
Andrew Price <ajprice@free.fr> wrote:

>Pardon what may appear to be a silly question, but what is borax
>actually used for in the laundry?

Frankly, we are not sure.

All in all it seems to be used as 'filler': it makes it look like
you are getting a lot of laundry powder for the $$.

For a rationalization of its use in detergent:

http://www.borax.com/detergents/

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Patrick Gainer - 11 Apr 2004 06:23 GMT
> Andrew Price <ajprice@free.fr> wrote:
>
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>
> http://www.borax.com/detergents/

Be sure to get some borax to use for welding and brazing flux.
David Nebenzahl - 02 Apr 2004 17:53 GMT
On 4/2/2004 4:54 AM lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com spake thus:

>>>I thought the otc bug stuff was boric acid, not borax.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thousand mules can drag any borax north of the border?? I'm going to
> have to start extracting it from ant killing peanut butter.

Perhaps one of the chemistry geeks here can post a long, involved procedure
for de-oleating boric acid from peanut butter, then extracting the borax from it.

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John - 02 Apr 2004 18:45 GMT
>No kidding!? The things you learn from the darkroom!

    Yep. After spending one late summer printing session in my
Nike's, I developed a different kind of itch. the pharmacist recommend
soaking in Boric acid nightly and after about a week, no more
problems.

Regards,

  John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com
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lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 03 Apr 2004 14:50 GMT
>>No kidding!? The things you learn from the darkroom!
>
>    Yep. After spending one late summer printing session in my
>Nike's, I developed a different kind of itch. the pharmacist recommend
>soaking in Boric acid nightly

[the shoes or your feet??!!...]
--le

and after about a week, no more
>problems.
>
>Regards,
>
>   John S. Douglas, Photographer -  http://www.darkroompro.com
>              Please remove the "_" when replying via email
lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 02 Apr 2004 13:47 GMT
>I thought the otc bug stuff was boric acid, not borax.
>-Lew

---
The label states a borax concetration, then in parentheses a Boron
equivalence. So I think certain insects do not like to have
Boron/borates in their diet.

I know the trick of putting powder boric acid within the walls,
between the joists, to combat cockroaches. But I think there are new
technology insect hormone based approaches for roaches (and fleas, I
can state from personal experience!).

--le
drhowarddrfinedrhoward - 02 Apr 2004 14:00 GMT
Borax tastes like sugar.
Andrew Price - 02 Apr 2004 20:21 GMT
[---]

>(and fleas, I
>can state from personal experience!).

Didn't your cat used to hang out in your old basement darkroom, before
you moved?
lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 03 Apr 2004 15:02 GMT
>[---]
>
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>Didn't your cat used to hang out in your old basement darkroom, before
>you moved?

apr304 from Lloyd Erlick,

Yes, although that should probably read 'my old cat used to hang
out...' -- that cat finally died in November, five months shy of her
twenty-first birthday. She spent a lot of time down there with me,
usually sleeping in front of the electric heater. She left me enough
hair to knit a new cat.

By the way, for anyone troubled by fleas from a pet, the new
technology flea controlling collars work like a charm. They use insect
hormones to interfere with the ability of insect eggs to hatch. They
have no odor to humans, and are (apparently) non-toxic. Agfa of all
people sell the best known version. (Perhaps it's actually Bayer,
which now owns Agfa again.)

regards,
--le
friend? - 02 Apr 2004 14:45 GMT
mix sugar with borax and leave close to the nest

>apr204 from Lloyd Erlick,
>
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>regards,
>--le
lloydNO@NOthe-wire.com - 03 Apr 2004 15:08 GMT
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:45:35 GMT, friend® <me.at.home@universe.org>
wrote:

>mix sugar with borax and leave close to the nest

apr304 from Lloyd Erlick,

That would certainly be the first choice. The cheapest commercial
product cost three dollars. I'm sure two cents worth of borax and
sugar would have done it. Maybe I paid all that extra for the Rolls
Royce version, with peanut butter!

Someone posted that borax tastes sweet; I suppose that explains why
they were also selling a 100 ml bottle of borax dissolved in water as
an ant killer.

So -- if one uses borax in the laundry -- is one less likely to get
bugs???

regards,
--le
 
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