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Jorge Omar - 02 Apr 2004 00:35 GMT
Hello,
I've purchased (without knowing it) a reflection step wedge when I was
looking for a transmission one.
Any drawbacks on using it as a transmission one if I manage to remove the
paper backing? (I suppose it will not be calibrated, but it may do for
relative purposes)

Thanks,

Jorge
Richard Knoppow - 02 Apr 2004 01:42 GMT
> Hello,
> I've purchased (without knowing it) a reflection step wedge when I was
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>
> Thanks,

 Is it possible to return it?
 Since the light must go through the wedge twice the
densities have to be half of a transmission wedge, assuming
100% reflection from the backing. Since the backing does not
reflect 100% the wedge densities may be compensated for the
difference. For that reason I am not sure what you will get
when measuring it by transmission.

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> Jorge
Jorge Omar - 02 Apr 2004 02:18 GMT
No, it's not possible to return (international mail order). I did not ask
the simple question...
It's a 20 steps one with .1 step constant.
What I'm considering is if step 1 is X step 2 will be X+.1, 3 will be
X+.2 and so on, so at least I would have a relative step wedge.
Intended use is for calibrating a VC head I'm building.

Jorge

"Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:HF2bc.11034
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>   Is it possible to return it?
>   Since the light must go through the wedge twice the
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> difference. For that reason I am not sure what you will get
> when measuring it by transmission.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 02 Apr 2004 06:11 GMT
"Jorge Omar" <jorgeomar@ieg.com.br> wrote

> I've purchased (without knowing it) a reflection step
> wedge when I was looking for a transmission one.
> Any drawbacks on using it as a transmission one if I
> manage to remove the paper backing?

Since the wedge is a photographic print I am not so sure
about the idea of 'removing the paper backing'.

You could take a picture of your reflection wedge and
use the resulting negative as a transmission wedge.  It
would of course be calibrated in "Jorges", though if
you have a friend with a densitometer you could calibrate
the thing yourself.

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Consulting Engineer:  Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
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Patrick Gainer - 02 Apr 2004 16:21 GMT
> "Jorge Omar" <jorgeomar@ieg.com.br> wrote
>
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> Consulting Engineer:  Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
> psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/
Keep it as is and include it in photo setups when you are testing film,
etc. After development, you can tell by the print what you need to know
to adjust development time or to use a different developer.
John Walton - 04 Apr 2004 20:10 GMT
Keep it, a reflection densitometer should be your next project!  I believe
that in "Beyond the Zone System" they show you how to use a reflection
densitometer.

> Hello,
> I've purchased (without knowing it) a reflection step wedge when I was
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>
> Jorge
Robert Vervoordt - 09 Apr 2004 09:18 GMT
>Hello,
>I've purchased (without knowing it) a reflection step wedge when I was
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>
>Jorge

Make a contact print on a variety of papers and see what works for
you.  You might get lucky and get very close to a "calibrated"
reflection wedge.

If you do, you can manufacture a load of backups.

I know that, if anyone can, you'll be the one to have fun with this
project.

Robert Vervoordt, MFA
Jorge Omar - 14 Apr 2004 03:12 GMT
Hello, Robert

Thanks for the suggestion. I intend to use it to calibrate the LED VC
head (when it's ready; between work and Easter it's quite behind
schedule...)

Jorge

> Make a contact print on a variety of papers and see what works for
> you.  You might get lucky and get very close to a "calibrated"
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>
> Robert Vervoordt, MFA
Robert Vervoordt - 14 Apr 2004 05:05 GMT
>Hello, Robert
>
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>
>Jorge

You're quite welcome.  

I hope the suggestion does work, as it just popped into my head in a
flash.  

I did something like this , but not exactly the same thing as I
suggested to you.  I  can't recall the details at this remove, but I
think I had to match up some grey scales in nagatives and prints for
control of some new, then, formulations using dye intermediaries as
developing agents.  The developers did work, but no improvement over
mainstream stuff.  The procedure gave me some basis for evauation
though.  I wish I had had some real densitometer and some step wedges,
instead of having to rig up makeshifts.

Let me know how it goes.  I may remember some details later.

>> Make a contact print on a variety of papers and see what works for
>> you.  You might get lucky and get very close to a "calibrated"
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>>
>> Robert Vervoordt, MFA

Robert Vervoordt, MFA
 
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