Thanks for the vendor leads! I placed a nice order with B&H and they
notified me of shipping in a few hours! No endorsement mind you, I don't
have the stuff yet!
I bought some 100' ers of T-max in 100 and 400 and am wondering if there is
a difference in the gray market stuff. I want to start from scratch and run
all the zone system testing and really explore and master the film's
character. It's been a long time since I was serious about this. I opted
for the half-cost, oops?

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Frank N. Stein - 23 Mar 2004 13:46 GMT
> Thanks for the vendor leads! I placed a nice order with B&H and they
> notified me of shipping in a few hours! No endorsement mind you, I don't
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> character. It's been a long time since I was serious about this. I opted
> for the half-cost, oops?
The description of grey market is posted on the B&H website,
most typically the film was produced outside of the USA or intially
made for shipment to countries outside the USA. Or was sold outside
the USA and returned, there is no way to know, or whether the product
was improperly stored while outside the USA. B&H buys from reputiable
other companies, so you are probably OK, but there is no gaurantee and good
luck returning it if a problem exists.

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 23 Mar 2004 13:56 GMT
> I placed a nice order with B&H ... 100' ers of T-max in 100 and 400
> and am wondering if there is a difference in the gray market stuff.
I don't know of anyone who has found one, famous last words, though.
Me, I've never had any problems or noticed any difference except that
the printing is in a Katakana font.
- and -
I don't know of anyone who knows why freight from Rochester to NYC
is cheaper via Tokyo.

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Jazztptman - 23 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT
>>I don't know of anyone who knows why freight from Rochester to NYC is cheaper
via Tokyo.<<
It's not cheaper Nicholas, the point of gray market products is they were
puchased outside the US and show differences in local pricing stratagies of the
manufacturer, as well as benefiting from the value of the dollar against the
currency where the reseller purchased them.
Do you really think Kodak and Fuji charge the same price for their film in
India and China or other undeveloped Asian countries as they do in the US and
Europe?
The level of support is also different, which is why a company will not honor a
warranty on a product reimported nto the US as "gray market." Try and get your
gray market watch, camera, or videocamera fixed for free by the US company or
"official" importer if it breaks down under warranty.
Bernie
jjs - 24 Mar 2004 00:11 GMT
> >>I don't know of anyone who knows why freight from Rochester to NYC is cheaper
> via Tokyo.<<
>
> It's not cheaper Nicholas, [...]
Imagine - Kodak makes the film in bulk. Ships it to England where it is
cut, rolled and packaged. Then it's sent back here, and everybody in
between makes money! Don't you love B2B?
Nicholas O. Lindan - 24 Mar 2004 04:17 GMT
"Jazztptman" <jazztptman@aol.comno.spams>
> > > I don't know of anyone who knows why freight
> > > from Rochester to NYC is cheaper via Tokyo.
> It's not cheaper Nicholas,
http://one_foggy.tripod.com/sounds/afu_jokeson.wav
> the point of gray market products is ..... & ...... & ......
Now hold on there a minute, I mean, I say, you don't have to
get all huffed, come back here now, come back. As I was
explainin' to you ....
Do I have to use smileys? Please tell me I don't.
Really, tell me you can figure out it's:
http://www.toonopedia.com/foghorn.htm

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Mike King - 23 Mar 2004 15:26 GMT
Tom, two answers to your question about "gray market" film.
1. The film may or may not be suitable for your needs, it depends on the
quality of the film's storage, your intended use and your own critical
facilities. For my personal work I use short dated and out-of-date film
frequently but have a black and white densitometer and can monitor fog
levels. For commercial work, I have in the past used only official channel
black and white films purchased locally and stored in my dealer's fridge.
2. I personally would be "less" concerned purchasing film (gray market or
"USA") from one of the big boys (like B&H, for example) since they order in
larger quantities, store their film properly and turn their film stock over
faster than some of the smaller outfits. Their purchasing power most likely
gets them better gray market goods as well (just a guess, but it makes
sense).
I used to buy all my film locally and through "official" channels but am
being forced to go mail order by the digital revolution. I recently scoured
the city I live in and managed to find only 4 rolls of TMax 400-120 (no
Tri-X, no TXP, no Ilford--except three dusty rolls of Delta 3200, either)
after trying all three camera stores in town. The film was for a rush job
and I had managed to find just enough film to shoot the job. All three
stores offered to order the film for me, but I can order film myself and see
no reason to pay them to order it for me, I suspect they would all want a
minimum order of 20 rolls as well. In the past I didn't like to keep a lot
of film on hand since my freezer space is limited. Now I'll invest in a few
"bricks" of 120 and hope the situation doesn't get any worse.
BTW, I man be one of the only 10 people that remember octal but have lost
touch with the other seven.
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> Thanks for the vendor leads! I placed a nice order with B&H and they
> notified me of shipping in a few hours! No endorsement mind you, I don't
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jjs - 23 Mar 2004 16:50 GMT
> [...]
> I bought some 100' ers of T-max in 100 and 400 and am wondering if there is
> a difference in the gray market stuff. I want to start from scratch and run
> all the zone system testing and really explore and master the film's
> character. [...]
With respect, Tom, it is best to minimize the known variables when doing
such strident tests. Gray market film has extra unknowns. Would it not
make more sense to stick to a fresh, local film source?
Frank Pittel - 23 Mar 2004 23:37 GMT
: Thanks for the vendor leads! I placed a nice order with B&H and they
: notified me of shipping in a few hours! No endorsement mind you, I don't
: have the stuff yet!
There are a handfull of reputable photo companies and B&H is one of them.
A couple more to keep in mind is Calumet and Adorama.
: I bought some 100' ers of T-max in 100 and 400 and am wondering if there is
: a difference in the gray market stuff. I want to start from scratch and run
: all the zone system testing and really explore and master the film's
: character. It's been a long time since I was serious about this. I opted
: for the half-cost, oops?
I applaud your doing the film testing. In my never humble opinion you can't get
predictable results with the testing. As I understand it gray market stuff was
intended to be sold outside the US and imported. In the case of film it may mean
that the results may be unpredictable. For that reason I've alway stuck with the
higher priced US film. After all how much is the image that your taking worth?
That said I'm sure that a reputable supplier like B&H has a high enough volume that
you'll be alright.

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Tom Gardner - 24 Mar 2004 02:54 GMT
I think that you are on the mark and I also considered some variances with
the gray market stuff but I also figured it won't be the last film I buy and
will at least get me a good deal of experience with the films and these
images won't mater. I will have practiced building good darkroom technique,
built some discipline, work out bugs in my newer darkroom, and at least
narrow down future testing. My goal is to be a good technician in the
darkroom and I might as well start someplace. I still don't know what I
want to do even after I refine my procedures. I assume some inspirations
will come my way in time. It has been 20 years since I was serious and then
I was stupid(er).

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> : Thanks for the vendor leads! I placed a nice order with B&H and they
> : notified me of shipping in a few hours! No endorsement mind you, I don't
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> That said I'm sure that a reputable supplier like B&H has a high enough volume that
> you'll be alright.