upgrdading from fuji sensia 100 => ???

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Philippe Lauwers - 06 Mar 2004 11:25 GMT

Hello,

As a (35 mm) slide-film, up to now I've been using Fuji Sensia 100, and I've
been thinking about an upgrade to Velvia 100F, of maybe Provia 100F(they
have finer grain, don't they ?).
Since I'm leaving to Morroco for a two-week trip next week, I don't have
time to do a lot of testing so I hope someone can give me some valuable
advice ...

1. Which 'professional' film comes closest to Sensia, as far as the
(neutral) color-balance is concerned.
2. I've read that Velvia yields much more saturated colors; is it
possible to obtain slightly less saturated colors (for instance) by rating a
Velvia 100F @ 120 ISO instead of 100 ISO, or will I only get a slight blue
cast ?
3. Other suggestions are welcome too, of course

I've heard horrible stories about the pricing of the Provia films, hence my
question about underexposing Velvia ...

Thx,

Philippe

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Gregory W Blank - 06 Mar 2004 12:14 GMT

> Hello,
> As a (35 mm) slide-film, up to now I've been using Fuji Sensia 100, and I've
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> Thx,
> Philippe

Philippe;

Sensia, is essentially Provia. The difference being the batch to batch
consistancy of Provia and Provia is also supposed to be kept refrigerated
when you buy it. I know pro's that shoot Sensia instead of Provia because they
shoot 35mm. I would do the same. Sensia is not available in medium and large
format films which I shoot.

Velvia 100F is slightly different than Provia the grain structure of
Velvia 100F could be a benefit for 35mm , but
the balance and saturation of 100F are no better or worse than Provia.
Velvia 50 is the saturated film people talk of and has very tight grain.

Basically to get consistant balance you must use a prolab, the same lab
on a regular basis....and even then its debatable imop. You really have to
test and determine this for your own circumstances where you want to be
for exposing the the film.

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Michael Scarpitti - 06 Mar 2004 23:58 GMT

> Hello,
>
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> Philippe

Kodachrome 64 Professional. I would not even consider taking anything else.

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Luigi de Guzman - 07 Mar 2004 00:05 GMT

>Kodachrome 64 Professional. I would not even consider taking anything else.

Too bad that it's getting harder to find (I haven't seen it near me).
And Kodachrome processing is too expensive and fussy for casual users.
In any fairly big city it's still possible to get one-day or even
three-hour E-6 processing done.

-Luigi

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thigmo - 07 Mar 2004 02:47 GMT

> Hello,
>
> As a (35 mm) slide-film, up to now I've been using Fuji Sensia 100, and
> I've been thinking about an upgrade to Velvia 100F, of maybe

Provia

> 100F(they have finer grain, don't they ?).
> Since I'm leaving to Morroco for a two-week trip next week, I don't have
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> possible to obtain slightly less saturated colors (for instance) by
> rating a Velvia 100F @ 120 ISO instead of 100 ISO, or will I

only get a

> slight blue cast ?
> 3. Other suggestions are welcome too, of course
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>
> Philippe

Fuji Astia (now called Astia 100F)

Finer grain, perfectly neutral. Essentially, professional Sensia.

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Frank Pittel - 07 Mar 2004 05:52 GMT

No offense but since you don't have time to do a reasonable amount of film
testing before leaving I would suggest that you stick with the film that you
are familiar with.

: Hello,

: As a (35 mm) slide-film, up to now I've been using Fuji Sensia 100, and I've
: been thinking about an upgrade to Velvia 100F, of maybe Provia 100F(they
: have finer grain, don't they ?).
: Since I'm leaving to Morroco for a two-week trip next week, I don't have
: time to do a lot of testing so I hope someone can give me some valuable
: advice ...

: 1. Which 'professional' film comes closest to Sensia, as far as the
: (neutral) color-balance is concerned.
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: cast ?
: 3. Other suggestions are welcome too, of course

: I've heard horrible stories about the pricing of the Provia films, hence my
: question about underexposing Velvia ...

: Thx,

: Philippe

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Mike King - 07 Mar 2004 15:29 GMT

I'll second that!! If you don't have time to thoroughly test a new film
before a (for me anyway) once in a lifetime trip, you'd be taking an
enormous risk to use anything but what you already know and understand.
(Better the devil you know.)

The color palettes of all three are similar, Velvia is more contrasty.As far
as grain, ALL modern ISO 100 color slide films are pretty darn good, much
better than anything available even a few years ago.

ON the other hand, if you get to Morocco every few weeks (grin) shoot a
different type of film each time you go.

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darkroommike

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> No offense but since you don't have time to do a reasonable amount of film
> testing before leaving I would suggest that you stick with the film that you
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Philippe Lauwers - 07 Mar 2004 19:50 GMT

Well, I think I haven't been telling you guys everything : I aim to make
ilfochrome prints of my best pictures (probably 12*16). That's why I want
the finest grain possible (with a film that I can use @ 100 ISO). I've been
doing a batch of 12*16 prints from TMX negatives last year, and I have a
feeling that any more grain wouldn't be desirable.

It wouldn't be impossible to do any testing at all, it's just that I don't
have the time to test 10 different emulsions. I was hoping to get to one
suggestion, and to shoot the same pictures on both a roll of Sensia, and the
other film (I have two SLR's, so that's something I could easily do in a day
or two).
As far as testing is concerned, can anyone give me some tips on what kind of
pictures to shoot. Please don't say I have to shoot the same kind of
pictures I plan to shoot in Morocco, since I don't know what to excpect
there. So I might even end up going there every few weeks after all ;-)

> I'll second that!! If you don't have time to thoroughly test a new film
> before a (for me anyway) once in a lifetime trip, you'd be taking an
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Gregory W Blank - 07 Mar 2004 22:36 GMT

> Well, I think I haven't been telling you guys everything : I aim to make
> ilfochrome prints of my best pictures (probably 12*16). That's why I want
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> pictures I plan to shoot in Morocco, since I don't know what to excpect
> there. So I might even end up going there every few weeks after all ;-)

You want something with a grey card so you can evaluate the color balance,
maybe a scene near a beach under the time of day you typicall shoot, a parking lot
may also work... or other paved surface which would be "like" a desert area.

The Kodak E films have very tight T Grain, for enlarging. E 100VS
is very saturated. I would at least try that and possibly Fuji Astia
for lower contrast, but nice saturation....just a couple added thoughts.

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mr. chip - 07 Mar 2004 23:08 GMT

> Well, I think I haven't been telling you guys everything : I aim to make
> ilfochrome prints of my best pictures (probably 12*16). That's why I want
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> other film (I have two SLR's, so that's something I could easily do in a day
> or two).

Unless I am mistaken, Sensia is the 'unripened' version of Astia. Astia have
recently upgraded Astia and therefore there is a new Sensia too. I think
they have finer grain than just about any film out there. Even Velvia 50.

Simon.

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