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Apkesh - 19 Feb 2004 04:24 GMT
Hello,
I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry
walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever
setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this
successfuly? Please help.
apkesh
Nick Zentena - 19 Feb 2004 04:35 GMT
> Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
> my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry
> walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever
> setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this
> successfuly? Please help.

 If you can make the basement light tight you're laughing. No need for
drywall just cover the windows. I'm assuming you have a door heading
downstairs that you can close. The only reason I want walls is because I
keep getting lost walking to the sink with the lights off. Small rooms have
some advantages. All I did was setup a table for the trays. A second one for
the enlarger.

    Nick
Tom Thackrey - 19 Feb 2004 05:25 GMT
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
> my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry
> walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever
> setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this
> successfuly? Please help.

Basements are a great source of moisture and dust. It's worth some effort to
seal the darkroom and provide filtered air pumped into the darkroom for
ventilation and to keep the dust out. I used sheet flooring over the cement
to help keep the dust down. It's also easy to clean.

Since your floor is probably cement, get some pads like they use in
restaurants to save your legs.

If the ceilings are low, consider building an adjustable table under the
enlarger for your easel. I actually built a box above the rafters to make
room for the enlarger head when it's at the top of  the column.

If you don't have a low enough connection to your plumbing drain, you can
use a sump pump and a large container (I use a horse watering trough) and
pump the wastewater up to the nearest drain (in my case it's the same drain
as the washing machine.)

Plan your electricals carefully. Make sure the circut you plug the darkroom
into has sufficient power. I had no choice and I'm on the same circut as the
gas dryer. When it starts it sucks enough juice to blow the fuse if I'm
running my heater in the darkroom. We don't dry clothes when I'm in the
darkroom. Be sure to use GFCI for all the outlets and devices in the
darkroom. I had a timer fall into the stainless sink full of water upon
which I was leaning. The GFCI tripped and the timer was toast, but I didn't
feel a thing.

Darkroom sinks are easy to build, but as more and more commercial darkrooms
are going digital you might be able to find a used sink. I found an 8 foot
sink including water baths, a built in print washer and a temp control valve
for about what it would cost me to build one out of plywood and epoxy paint.

Have fun.

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Jim Phelps - 19 Feb 2004 09:04 GMT
> Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
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> successfuly? Please help.
> apkesh

I may get some 'feedback' on this one, but I recall reading in Ctein's book
_Post Exposure_ he put up a simple frame of wood and covered it with black
garden plastic as well as the exposed walls.  Ctein is an expert printer and
well recognized for his work, so if this 'makeshift' darkroom works for him,
no reason it won't for you either.

Now, the plastic will minimize the dust, but temperature and humidity are
other things altogether.  Water and drainage will also need to be available.

Putting up your own drywall and framing is not as expensive as one may think
if they can do the work themselves.  If you have someone who shares your
interest in the darkroom and can lend a hand, that will make it much easier
(trying to hold a 4' X 8' piece of sheetrock with one hand while trying to
get the screw to go in with the other usually generates a new vocabulary).

Jim
Apkesh - 19 Feb 2004 17:44 GMT
I did consider putting up walls but that seemed like a costly job.
Someone suggusted why not buy black curtains, and have 2 layers of it
so to make a 'dar kroom within a darkroom'. This way they said the
light exposure would be minimized. One thing I never considered is the
moisture and dust, thanks for pointing that out. Candian winters are
very cold and usually no one in my family likes to go down to the bsmt
than me because it's so cold! :)

I was thinking of using the laundry sink in the bast but that is right
above the window. I dont want to spend $$ money on putting  up an
aditional sink either. I just have to think creatively to come up with
a better solution to this!

> > Hello,
> > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
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bob - 19 Feb 2004 18:55 GMT
> I was thinking of using the laundry sink in the bast but that is right
> above the window. I dont want to spend $$ money on putting  up an
> aditional sink either. I just have to think creatively to come up with
> a better solution to this!

You can plug the window easy enough. Just nail (with concrete nails) some
1x2's (flat) around the perimiter of the window.  It might help to pre
drill holes in the 1/2 Apply black felt to the inside edge, and caulk the
perimiter. Cut a piece of plywood the same size and put black felt around
the edges of that (on the face, not the edge). If you don't need the
window, just screw the plywood to the frame. If you do need the window,
you can use hinges.

You can extend the useful area of the sink by making a plywood shelf that
hooks over the edge and has legs. Restrict your actuall flowing water to
the basin of the sink and you don't need to waterproof your shelf, but I
would paint it and put a rim, just in case you spill a tray by accident
or something.

Bob

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geo - 15 Mar 2004 02:59 GMT
Read up on Sintra. It's basically plastic plywood used for making signs
among other things. Lightweight & waterproof. Yes you can make your own out
of plywood and glue and screws and epoxy and lots of effort but why bother
when you can have a better one made for just a little more. I had a 6' sink
made for $130. by the New York Sign Co. in Flushing. Make sure they
countersink the drain hole. I make a stand from 2x4s and metal connectors.

Dust, heat & cold are issues you need to deal with in a basement. Try and
stay away from a boiler; it'll probably be too hot in the winter. Also if
the blue flame is too bright it'll fog your paper.

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> I did consider putting up walls but that seemed like a costly job.
> Someone suggusted why not buy black curtains, and have 2 layers of it
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> aditional sink either. I just have to think creatively to come up with
> a better solution to this!
Dennis O'Connor - 19 Feb 2004 12:52 GMT
I have had darkrooms in basements most of my life... A plastic lined booth
is your best, quickest, cheapest answer ... <did I mention that it is the
best as it makes controlling dust easy>

Put up 2x4 and 2x2 framing walls just strong enough to hold black, 6 mil,
construction, plastic sheeting stapled to it...  <the heavy stuff - worth
every penny >
The biggest hassle is the swinging door, which needs to be properly framed
to last... If your basement can be made dark enough, skip the swinging door
and put the opening so it points at a blank wall...  If you need the
swinging door get some help from a buddy who has done house construction, if
you have not...

Remember to put down linoleum on the floor to control dust... Go to the
discount joints and get the cheapest, ugliest, stuff you can find...
Remember to tack sheet plastic to the overhead joists to control dust... Use
3/4 x 1 cross battens to keep it from drooping, and to give you places to
mount lights...
Set up a fan, with a filter, to blow air into the darkroom for ventilation,
and to blow entering dust out... You may need an additional source of heat
in the winter, I use a 1500 watt electric heater on the counter top for
mine...

I would then spray paint the inside of the plastic walls and ceiling with
white paint...  A dark room needs adequate safelight to work by - and the
black plastic sucks up the light like a sponge and leaves it too dark for
me, but that's a personal decision...

You can build counters, but a pair of Home Depot saw horses, with a cheap
door laid across the top, and screwed/bolted to the saw horses, and the
whole thing screwed to the wall studs to stiffen it up, will work just
fine..  If it is too low for you, then use the door as the top shelf of a
flat box with plywood sides <6" to 12" high> and a bottom shelf of plywood
(will need some 3/4" x 1" stringers to stiffen it), which is then laid on
the horses... This raises the top surface to your preferred height and gives
you a shelf underneath to boot...

cheers  ...   denny

"Apkesh" <browntiger73@yahoo.com> wrote in > Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
> my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry
> walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$.
Collin Brendemuehl - 19 Feb 2004 13:39 GMT
Mine is a 6x10 ft area in a corner of the basment.
The added walls are framed with 2x2s and sheet cardboard stapled
to it (some plywood as well) -- leftovers from local construction sights.
Got some black gaffers tape from Epperson Photo in Oklahoma City and
that seals well all of the edge light leaks (like around duct work).
Caulk works well for frame edges.  Some black plastic (from film & paper
packaging) also work well for covering edges.

Water comes from a near-by utility sink, via garden hose and drains,
also via garden hose, to the basement floor drain.  Clean and practical.
Fortunately dust is not an issue unless things get really dry.
Just a little moisture in the air helps.

Temperature is the only environmental issue I struggled against.
But if bottles are not kept against the outside block wall then all is well.
Enlarger height might be a problem.  I got a D5 5-foot upright and so
have to keep it on a small table.  The main floor gets in the way.
(Should I punch a hole in the kitchen floor?  What would the wife think?)
The 4-foot upright would have been more practical, but alas.

I think the entire darkroom facility cost me about $40.

You can build a good, clean darkroom on a budget.
Dust and light control are the environmental factors to keep control of.
Paint the walls black.  It's the best $10 you can spend to keep your prints
contrasty.

Collin
Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2004 16:16 GMT
...
>Paint the walls black.  It's the best $10 you can spend to keep your prints
>contrasty.
>
>Collin

feb1904 from Lloyd Erlick,

I think you're right, but I have an alternative to
paint (too stinky and messy for me...).

Just pin up (or tape if you prefer) black paper
(from seamless backdrop rolls) or black card or
even black plastic sheeting (maybe from the bags
photo paper comes in). There are probably only a
few square feet that are important in terms of
effect on the prints. Others may not be as
obstinate as I am about paint, volatiles, and in
general all the smells of moden life...

regards,
--le
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M&M - 19 Feb 2004 14:35 GMT
I share the furnace/utility/laundry/cat-litter room as a darkroom.  I just
cover the basement windows.  The only problem with such a big room is
ventilation.  I currently use none (the room is 25'x12') , leave the door
open, cover the trays, and limit my exposure to about 2 hours a week.
25x12x8 ==  2400 cu. feet.  At 10 air changes an hour, I need a 400 CFM fan.
I have plans to install one soon but it hasn't stopped me.  Covering the
trays really helps...

You would think I have dust problems, but it isn't bad at all.  Not even
with litter and a dryer ;)

> Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
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> successfuly? Please help.
> apkesh
Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2004 16:35 GMT
...
limit my exposure to about 2 hours a week.
>Covering the
>trays really helps...
...

feb1904 from Lloyd Erlick,

Why limit your exposure? Why not remove any and
all things to which exposure might be unpleasant?

I've spent the last decade working out how to
'expose' myself to the smallest degree possible.
I've got it down pretty close to nil, in any
regard, for processing black and white film and FB
prints. I still get my hands wet sometimes, but
only with plain tap water (never with chemicals -
and never means never, unless I fumble, of
course), and I think I could get down to perfectly
dry and clean hands throughout if I had the right
motivation (like getting paid for it!).

You're probably referring to the stench of rapid
fixer, which could really be choking in a small
space. I've given rapid fixer up completely. In
fact, any kind of acid, in stop or in fix, and any
kind of substance that dries to rocks in my sink
(like rapid fixer does) or attacks stainless steel
(like rapid fixer does), no longer figures in my
darkroom. Neither does PhotoFlo, or a squeegee,
gloves, drying screens, ... but I digress.

If you want to see my full ramblings on
elimination (meaning reduction to zero) of
darkroom odors and 'exposures' (other than
exposure of photosensitive materials!), take a
look at my website. Look under the 'technical'
heading in the table of contents.

regards,
--le
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Mike - 19 Feb 2004 17:16 GMT
> If you want to see my full ramblings on
> elimination (meaning reduction to zero) of
> darkroom odors and 'exposures' (other than
> exposure of photosensitive materials!), take a
> look at my website. Look under the 'technical'
> heading in the table of contents.

I've looked before and am quite intrigued by your methods.  

Where can I buy plain fixer?  I'm interested-- but I'm a student and
can't spend money on a balance/measuring scale and I don't print a whole
lot thus I'm not going to buy bulk chemicals.
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Feb 2004 06:28 GMT
>> If you want to see my full ramblings on
>> elimination (meaning reduction to zero) of
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>can't spend money on a balance/measuring scale and I don't print a whole
>lot thus I'm not going to buy bulk chemicals.  

feb2004 from Lloyd Erlick,

Well, I've been in that boat too!

You have to mix up your own plain fix. It's too
simple to sell prepackaged.

I suppose you could buy small amounts of sodium
thiosulfate and sulfite. That's all you'd need for
fixer. Five pounds of each would go a long way,
and probably not be too expenisve.

But I know what it's like as a poor itinerant
student, so maybe using liquid concentrates and
whatever is easy to get is the best solution until
you can get a settled darkroom of your own.

To get a pretty low price of C$1.30 a pound, I buy
sodium thiosulfate two hundred pounds at a time
(every four or five years), so there's got to be a
place to keep it...

regards,
--le
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Mike - 20 Feb 2004 16:29 GMT
> You have to mix up your own plain fix. It's too
> simple to sell prepackaged.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> fixer. Five pounds of each would go a long way,
> and probably not be too expenisve.

you are right...I just checked photoformulary.com and the prices are
cheap.  I just need a way to roughly measure.  

Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons?  Of course there
would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack
together...but I imagine this is minor.
Mike - 20 Feb 2004 16:31 GMT
> Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons?  Of course there
> would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack
> together...but I imagine this is minor.

Of course all I need to know is the density of sodium thiosulfate and
sodium sulfide (it is sulfide and not "sulfite", right?)
Mike - 20 Feb 2004 17:03 GMT
> Of course all I need to know is the density of sodium thiosulfate and
> sodium sulfide (it is sulfide and not "sulfite", right?)

Oops...I do see the difference between sodium sulfide and sulfite
Nick Zentena - 20 Feb 2004 17:07 GMT
>> Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons?  Of course there
>> would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack
>> together...but I imagine this is minor.
>
> Of course all I need to know is the density of sodium thiosulfate and
> sodium sulfide (it is sulfide and not "sulfite", right?)

 Back of "The Darkroom Cookbook" A different table has been posted in the
past to the group. Search google groups.

    Nick
bob - 20 Feb 2004 17:57 GMT
> you are right...I just checked photoformulary.com and the prices are
> cheap.  I just need a way to roughly measure.  
>
> Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons?  Of course there
> would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack
> together...but I imagine this is minor.  

Just find someone with a postal scale (they are common at colleges
because the professors send out so much mail), and get on their good
side. Weigh out one ounce of each component as a reference.

You can build a balance scale from a few scraps of sheet metal (I bet
even beer can would work.) Just a triangle with a fulcrum. They sell gram
balance scales pretty cheap at "head shops" that are made with this
method. Can't cost more than $5 or so.

Bob

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bob - 19 Feb 2004 15:13 GMT
> Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> successfuly? Please help.
> apkesh

Drywall isn't really that expensive. About $25 in materials for an 8 foot
square wall, including framing. You can do it yourself. You can find
instructions on the web. Since its not really living space, it doesn't
need to have the nice neat finish of your house.

I think that even if you don't do anything other than plastic, as several
others have suggested, that you should put down flooring and cover the
rafters to keep down dust.

Bob

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Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2004 15:46 GMT
>Hello,
>I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>successfuly? Please help.
>apkesh

feb1904 from Lloyd Erlick,

In a basement, the cement floor will be a big
problem. It will very likely release dust forever.
There will always be a moisture problem with a
cement floor below grade, in contact with the
soil. The severity of the problem will vary
greatly depending on location, climate, and the
lay of the land. (I saw a house in Toronto,
downtown no less, that actually had a little
trickle of running water going through its
basement. A veritable miniature river. The
succession of owners had given up trying to block
it and had settled for channeling it. Ground waer
in a city, yechh...)

Getting around this problem leads people to all
sorts of floor treatments, some of which are huge
errors.

Any type of covering or coating is an error on a
basement floor. Rugs or linoleum coverings trap
moisture underneath, and mildew will inevitably
result. Any floor cover like a rug must be
removable for cleaning. And it must be removed and
cleaned once in a while. The floor underneath will
need a scrub and sterilization, too.

Coatings like paint (I've used several different
types, including two part epoxy swimming pool
paint) always fail eventually, leaving a flaking
mess. There is always moisture underneath them,
i.e. between the coating and the cement.

The best solution is the easiest and cheapest.
Clean the floor to within an inch of its life.
Scrub it and rinse it and sweep it and vacuum it
and in general eliminate all dirt as well as you
can. Then seal it with a water based glue; I use a
product called Weldbond, diluted about 1+3 to 1+6
with plain tap water. Swab it around all over the
floor with the cheapest string mop you can get.
Let it soak in (that's why it's fairly dilute) and
dry. Repeat the process as many times as you feel
necessary. It can be done again at any time, even
when the darkroom furniture is in place, to renew
it. No smell, no fumes, no harm to photo
materials. Floor wax or polish can be applied
after the sealer is dry (I don't bother, though),
and they are easily renewable treatments, too,
with no big move of furniture needed. But the
strippers for wax and polish can be pretty stinky,
even though they are mild by comparison to paint.

If the walls are dusty, treat them the same way.

Ceiling dust can be cheaply controlled by stapling
two or four mil sheet polyethylene across the
ceiling joists. It's easy to cut through any spot
you want to work on later, and re-cover with more
sheet plastic.

The walls could be draped with the same sheet
plastic to control dust, too, depending how
stylish you'd like the place to look. Wall dust
will then collect on the floor at the base of the
walls, where it can be vacuumed and/or swept up.

If you use a canister or shop type of vacuum
cleaner, a long length of hose can be placed on
the exhaust port and led out of the darkroom area
to keep from blowing up a storm in there.

If you're not the owner of the real estate where
you're putting in this darkroom, consider
everything you do in terms of portability and ease
of taking it with you when you leave. My sinks are
on wheels, and the taps connect with laundry and
dishwasher type pressure hoses. I connect to the
house plumbing via the kind of valves used to
connect/disconnect washing machines. I did it this
way even in a place I owned for twenty-eight
years!

regards,
--le
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otzi - 20 Feb 2004 03:48 GMT
> The best solution is the easiest and cheapest.
> Clean the floor to within an inch of its life.
> Scrub it and rinse it and sweep it and vacuum it
> and in general eliminate all dirt as well as you
> can. ---------Then seal it with a water based glue; -

My studio is a conc. floored basement garage previously occupied by a
flooring person who generously left dollops of  ?flooring? glue here and
there.  It can't be removed, by chissel, spade or hammer with out removing a
lump of base.  Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may
well work as a sealing medium.
Dennis O'Connor - 20 Feb 2004 12:49 GMT
Otzi, if the lumps are more than very tiny, you will still have speed bumps
after coating with glue... Chisel em off, and then spackle (fill) the holes
with floor patch, then glue, paint, covering, or whatever...
denny
> > The best solution is the easiest and cheapest.
> > Clean the floor to within an inch of its life.
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> lump of base.  Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may
> well work as a sealing medium.
otzi - 20 Feb 2004 14:47 GMT
> Otzi, if the lumps are more than very tiny, you will still have speed bumps
> after coating with glue... Chisel em off, and then spackle (fill) the holes
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > lump of base.  Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may
> > well work as a sealing medium.

Dennis,- I was more backing up Lloyd's post re; glue coating.  Thanks
anyway.
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Feb 2004 14:53 GMT
>Otzi, if the lumps are more than very tiny, you will still have speed bumps
>after coating with glue... Chisel em off, and then spackle (fill) the holes
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> lump of base.  Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may
>> well work as a sealing medium.

feb2004 from Lloyd Erlick,

The lumps of stuff you describe are different from
the glue I was talking about. I use water based
glue in dilute form to soak into cement. The stuff
on your floor is some sort of construction or
floor tile adhesive. I had some on my previous
basement floor, too, and mine took off the top
eighth inch of cement, too, where I could get it
off. The stuff I had to contend with was described
by the can (still there!) as construction
adhesive, and it was lke a super thick form of
contact cement, or maybe rubber cement. It was
never water based in all its former history.

I'd also advise chiseling the speed bumps away, at
least the ones in your path! Don't trip in the
dark.

regards,
--le
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bob - 20 Feb 2004 17:51 GMT
> My studio is a conc. floored basement garage previously occupied by a
> flooring person who generously left dollops of  ?flooring? glue here
> and there.  It can't be removed, by chissel, spade or hammer with out
> removing a lump of base.  Consequently I've got built in speed humps.
> So,.. glue may well work as a sealing medium.

Heat gun and scraper will probably take it right off.

Bob

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David Starr - 19 Feb 2004 21:29 GMT
>Hello,
>I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
>my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry
>walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever
>setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this
>successfuly? Please help.

For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom.  I built a
solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry
tub.  The washer & dryer on the other side of the tub was my sink.
I'd cover them with old towels & put my trays on them.  I developed
film the same way, on the washer & dryer.  The laundry tub was my
"sink" for washing film & prints.  Blank out the windows & you've got
a darkroom.

Last summer I partitioned off a 12X14 space & finally built a
dedicated darkroom.  Built a sink 8' long by 30" deep, nice cabinets,
the whole 9 yards.  I love it, but my prints didn't get any better for
having it.

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Mike - 19 Feb 2004 21:41 GMT
> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom.  I built a
> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry
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> "sink" for washing film & prints.  Blank out the windows & you've got
> a darkroom.

Did you ventilate with fans?  This is my issue...basement is so big that a
tiny fan won't do a thing.
Nick Zentena - 19 Feb 2004 21:49 GMT
>> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom.  I built a
>> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry
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> Did you ventilate with fans?  This is my issue...basement is so big that a
> tiny fan won't do a thing.

 Let me answer your question with a question. If you set up outdoors would
you get a REALLY big fan?

   Nick
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Feb 2004 06:37 GMT
>> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom.  I built a
>> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry
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>Did you ventilate with fans?  This is my issue...basement is so big that a
>tiny fan won't do a thing.

feb2004 from Lloyd Erlick,

Maybe your basement is so big you don't need
ventilation. Eliminate sources of odor and
'fumes', such as acetic acid and sulfur dioxide
from rapid fixer, and you might not be creating
enough smell to bother venting. I've stopped using
acid of any sort in my darkroom, and I use an old
fashioned plain fixer I make according to a
formula of Ansel Adams'. My darkroom doesn't smell
at all any more. (I used to put a cardboard cover
on my tray when selenium toner was in it, but I
only have it out for ten minutes at a time and
it's not enough to bother me.)

regards,
--le
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David Starr - 20 Feb 2004 23:09 GMT
>> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom.  I built a
>> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry
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>Did you ventilate with fans?  This is my issue...basement is so big that a
>tiny fan won't do a thing.

Didn't ventilate & never really noticed a problem.

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Michael Scarpitti - 20 Feb 2004 23:58 GMT
> Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is
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> successfuly? Please help.
> apkesh

If your basement has dividers in it already, or you do not have to
share it with anyone doing the laundry, you need put up no walls. I
use the furnace room in my house, which has a separate door that is
far enough away that light is not a problem. I also turn off the
lights in the adjoining rooms to keep the light from coming in. The
glass blocks in the basement are blocked off with black platstic.
 
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