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Apkesh - 19 Feb 2004 04:24 GMT Hello, I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this successfuly? Please help. apkesh
Nick Zentena - 19 Feb 2004 04:35 GMT > Hello, > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is > my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry > walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever > setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this > successfuly? Please help. If you can make the basement light tight you're laughing. No need for drywall just cover the windows. I'm assuming you have a door heading downstairs that you can close. The only reason I want walls is because I keep getting lost walking to the sink with the lights off. Small rooms have some advantages. All I did was setup a table for the trays. A second one for the enlarger.
Nick
Tom Thackrey - 19 Feb 2004 05:25 GMT > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is > my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry > walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever > setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this > successfuly? Please help. Basements are a great source of moisture and dust. It's worth some effort to seal the darkroom and provide filtered air pumped into the darkroom for ventilation and to keep the dust out. I used sheet flooring over the cement to help keep the dust down. It's also easy to clean.
Since your floor is probably cement, get some pads like they use in restaurants to save your legs.
If the ceilings are low, consider building an adjustable table under the enlarger for your easel. I actually built a box above the rafters to make room for the enlarger head when it's at the top of the column.
If you don't have a low enough connection to your plumbing drain, you can use a sump pump and a large container (I use a horse watering trough) and pump the wastewater up to the nearest drain (in my case it's the same drain as the washing machine.)
Plan your electricals carefully. Make sure the circut you plug the darkroom into has sufficient power. I had no choice and I'm on the same circut as the gas dryer. When it starts it sucks enough juice to blow the fuse if I'm running my heater in the darkroom. We don't dry clothes when I'm in the darkroom. Be sure to use GFCI for all the outlets and devices in the darkroom. I had a timer fall into the stainless sink full of water upon which I was leaning. The GFCI tripped and the timer was toast, but I didn't feel a thing.
Darkroom sinks are easy to build, but as more and more commercial darkrooms are going digital you might be able to find a used sink. I found an 8 foot sink including water baths, a built in print washer and a temp control valve for about what it would cost me to build one out of plywood and epoxy paint.
Have fun.
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Jim Phelps - 19 Feb 2004 09:04 GMT > Hello, > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > successfuly? Please help. > apkesh I may get some 'feedback' on this one, but I recall reading in Ctein's book _Post Exposure_ he put up a simple frame of wood and covered it with black garden plastic as well as the exposed walls. Ctein is an expert printer and well recognized for his work, so if this 'makeshift' darkroom works for him, no reason it won't for you either.
Now, the plastic will minimize the dust, but temperature and humidity are other things altogether. Water and drainage will also need to be available.
Putting up your own drywall and framing is not as expensive as one may think if they can do the work themselves. If you have someone who shares your interest in the darkroom and can lend a hand, that will make it much easier (trying to hold a 4' X 8' piece of sheetrock with one hand while trying to get the screw to go in with the other usually generates a new vocabulary).
Jim
Apkesh - 19 Feb 2004 17:44 GMT I did consider putting up walls but that seemed like a costly job. Someone suggusted why not buy black curtains, and have 2 layers of it so to make a 'dar kroom within a darkroom'. This way they said the light exposure would be minimized. One thing I never considered is the moisture and dust, thanks for pointing that out. Candian winters are very cold and usually no one in my family likes to go down to the bsmt than me because it's so cold! :)
I was thinking of using the laundry sink in the bast but that is right above the window. I dont want to spend $$ money on putting up an aditional sink either. I just have to think creatively to come up with a better solution to this!
> > Hello, > > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com > <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><>< bob - 19 Feb 2004 18:55 GMT > I was thinking of using the laundry sink in the bast but that is right > above the window. I dont want to spend $$ money on putting up an > aditional sink either. I just have to think creatively to come up with > a better solution to this! You can plug the window easy enough. Just nail (with concrete nails) some 1x2's (flat) around the perimiter of the window. It might help to pre drill holes in the 1/2 Apply black felt to the inside edge, and caulk the perimiter. Cut a piece of plywood the same size and put black felt around the edges of that (on the face, not the edge). If you don't need the window, just screw the plywood to the frame. If you do need the window, you can use hinges.
You can extend the useful area of the sink by making a plywood shelf that hooks over the edge and has legs. Restrict your actuall flowing water to the basin of the sink and you don't need to waterproof your shelf, but I would paint it and put a rim, just in case you spill a tray by accident or something.
Bob
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geo - 15 Mar 2004 02:59 GMT Read up on Sintra. It's basically plastic plywood used for making signs among other things. Lightweight & waterproof. Yes you can make your own out of plywood and glue and screws and epoxy and lots of effort but why bother when you can have a better one made for just a little more. I had a 6' sink made for $130. by the New York Sign Co. in Flushing. Make sure they countersink the drain hole. I make a stand from 2x4s and metal connectors.
Dust, heat & cold are issues you need to deal with in a basement. Try and stay away from a boiler; it'll probably be too hot in the winter. Also if the blue flame is too bright it'll fog your paper.
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> I did consider putting up walls but that seemed like a costly job. > Someone suggusted why not buy black curtains, and have 2 layers of it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > aditional sink either. I just have to think creatively to come up with > a better solution to this! Dennis O'Connor - 19 Feb 2004 12:52 GMT I have had darkrooms in basements most of my life... A plastic lined booth is your best, quickest, cheapest answer ... <did I mention that it is the best as it makes controlling dust easy>
Put up 2x4 and 2x2 framing walls just strong enough to hold black, 6 mil, construction, plastic sheeting stapled to it... <the heavy stuff - worth every penny > The biggest hassle is the swinging door, which needs to be properly framed to last... If your basement can be made dark enough, skip the swinging door and put the opening so it points at a blank wall... If you need the swinging door get some help from a buddy who has done house construction, if you have not...
Remember to put down linoleum on the floor to control dust... Go to the discount joints and get the cheapest, ugliest, stuff you can find... Remember to tack sheet plastic to the overhead joists to control dust... Use 3/4 x 1 cross battens to keep it from drooping, and to give you places to mount lights... Set up a fan, with a filter, to blow air into the darkroom for ventilation, and to blow entering dust out... You may need an additional source of heat in the winter, I use a 1500 watt electric heater on the counter top for mine...
I would then spray paint the inside of the plastic walls and ceiling with white paint... A dark room needs adequate safelight to work by - and the black plastic sucks up the light like a sponge and leaves it too dark for me, but that's a personal decision...
You can build counters, but a pair of Home Depot saw horses, with a cheap door laid across the top, and screwed/bolted to the saw horses, and the whole thing screwed to the wall studs to stiffen it up, will work just fine.. If it is too low for you, then use the door as the top shelf of a flat box with plywood sides <6" to 12" high> and a bottom shelf of plywood (will need some 3/4" x 1" stringers to stiffen it), which is then laid on the horses... This raises the top surface to your preferred height and gives you a shelf underneath to boot...
cheers ... denny
"Apkesh" <browntiger73@yahoo.com> wrote in > Hello,
> I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is > my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry > walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Collin Brendemuehl - 19 Feb 2004 13:39 GMT Mine is a 6x10 ft area in a corner of the basment. The added walls are framed with 2x2s and sheet cardboard stapled to it (some plywood as well) -- leftovers from local construction sights. Got some black gaffers tape from Epperson Photo in Oklahoma City and that seals well all of the edge light leaks (like around duct work). Caulk works well for frame edges. Some black plastic (from film & paper packaging) also work well for covering edges.
Water comes from a near-by utility sink, via garden hose and drains, also via garden hose, to the basement floor drain. Clean and practical. Fortunately dust is not an issue unless things get really dry. Just a little moisture in the air helps.
Temperature is the only environmental issue I struggled against. But if bottles are not kept against the outside block wall then all is well. Enlarger height might be a problem. I got a D5 5-foot upright and so have to keep it on a small table. The main floor gets in the way. (Should I punch a hole in the kitchen floor? What would the wife think?) The 4-foot upright would have been more practical, but alas.
I think the entire darkroom facility cost me about $40.
You can build a good, clean darkroom on a budget. Dust and light control are the environmental factors to keep control of. Paint the walls black. It's the best $10 you can spend to keep your prints contrasty.
Collin
Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2004 16:16 GMT ...
>Paint the walls black. It's the best $10 you can spend to keep your prints >contrasty. > >Collin feb1904 from Lloyd Erlick,
I think you're right, but I have an alternative to paint (too stinky and messy for me...).
Just pin up (or tape if you prefer) black paper (from seamless backdrop rolls) or black card or even black plastic sheeting (maybe from the bags photo paper comes in). There are probably only a few square feet that are important in terms of effect on the prints. Others may not be as obstinate as I am about paint, volatiles, and in general all the smells of moden life...
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M&M - 19 Feb 2004 14:35 GMT I share the furnace/utility/laundry/cat-litter room as a darkroom. I just cover the basement windows. The only problem with such a big room is ventilation. I currently use none (the room is 25'x12') , leave the door open, cover the trays, and limit my exposure to about 2 hours a week. 25x12x8 == 2400 cu. feet. At 10 air changes an hour, I need a 400 CFM fan. I have plans to install one soon but it hasn't stopped me. Covering the trays really helps...
You would think I have dust problems, but it isn't bad at all. Not even with litter and a dryer ;)
> Hello, > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > successfuly? Please help. > apkesh Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2004 16:35 GMT ... limit my exposure to about 2 hours a week.
>Covering the >trays really helps... ...
feb1904 from Lloyd Erlick,
Why limit your exposure? Why not remove any and all things to which exposure might be unpleasant?
I've spent the last decade working out how to 'expose' myself to the smallest degree possible. I've got it down pretty close to nil, in any regard, for processing black and white film and FB prints. I still get my hands wet sometimes, but only with plain tap water (never with chemicals - and never means never, unless I fumble, of course), and I think I could get down to perfectly dry and clean hands throughout if I had the right motivation (like getting paid for it!).
You're probably referring to the stench of rapid fixer, which could really be choking in a small space. I've given rapid fixer up completely. In fact, any kind of acid, in stop or in fix, and any kind of substance that dries to rocks in my sink (like rapid fixer does) or attacks stainless steel (like rapid fixer does), no longer figures in my darkroom. Neither does PhotoFlo, or a squeegee, gloves, drying screens, ... but I digress.
If you want to see my full ramblings on elimination (meaning reduction to zero) of darkroom odors and 'exposures' (other than exposure of photosensitive materials!), take a look at my website. Look under the 'technical' heading in the table of contents.
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Mike - 19 Feb 2004 17:16 GMT > If you want to see my full ramblings on > elimination (meaning reduction to zero) of > darkroom odors and 'exposures' (other than > exposure of photosensitive materials!), take a > look at my website. Look under the 'technical' > heading in the table of contents. I've looked before and am quite intrigued by your methods.
Where can I buy plain fixer? I'm interested-- but I'm a student and can't spend money on a balance/measuring scale and I don't print a whole lot thus I'm not going to buy bulk chemicals.
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Feb 2004 06:28 GMT >> If you want to see my full ramblings on >> elimination (meaning reduction to zero) of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >can't spend money on a balance/measuring scale and I don't print a whole >lot thus I'm not going to buy bulk chemicals. feb2004 from Lloyd Erlick,
Well, I've been in that boat too!
You have to mix up your own plain fix. It's too simple to sell prepackaged.
I suppose you could buy small amounts of sodium thiosulfate and sulfite. That's all you'd need for fixer. Five pounds of each would go a long way, and probably not be too expenisve.
But I know what it's like as a poor itinerant student, so maybe using liquid concentrates and whatever is easy to get is the best solution until you can get a settled darkroom of your own.
To get a pretty low price of C$1.30 a pound, I buy sodium thiosulfate two hundred pounds at a time (every four or five years), so there's got to be a place to keep it...
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Mike - 20 Feb 2004 16:29 GMT > You have to mix up your own plain fix. It's too > simple to sell prepackaged. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fixer. Five pounds of each would go a long way, > and probably not be too expenisve. you are right...I just checked photoformulary.com and the prices are cheap. I just need a way to roughly measure.
Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons? Of course there would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack together...but I imagine this is minor.
Mike - 20 Feb 2004 16:31 GMT > Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons? Of course there > would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack > together...but I imagine this is minor. Of course all I need to know is the density of sodium thiosulfate and sodium sulfide (it is sulfide and not "sulfite", right?)
Mike - 20 Feb 2004 17:03 GMT > Of course all I need to know is the density of sodium thiosulfate and > sodium sulfide (it is sulfide and not "sulfite", right?) Oops...I do see the difference between sodium sulfide and sulfite
Nick Zentena - 20 Feb 2004 17:07 GMT >> Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons? Of course there >> would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack >> together...but I imagine this is minor. > > Of course all I need to know is the density of sodium thiosulfate and > sodium sulfide (it is sulfide and not "sulfite", right?) Back of "The Darkroom Cookbook" A different table has been posted in the past to the group. Search google groups.
Nick
bob - 20 Feb 2004 17:57 GMT > you are right...I just checked photoformulary.com and the prices are > cheap. I just need a way to roughly measure. > > Anybody know of a way to convert grams to tablespoons? Of course there > would be variations depending on how tight the crystals pack > together...but I imagine this is minor. Just find someone with a postal scale (they are common at colleges because the professors send out so much mail), and get on their good side. Weigh out one ounce of each component as a reference.
You can build a balance scale from a few scraps of sheet metal (I bet even beer can would work.) Just a triangle with a fulcrum. They sell gram balance scales pretty cheap at "head shops" that are made with this method. Can't cost more than $5 or so.
Bob
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bob - 19 Feb 2004 15:13 GMT > Hello, > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > successfuly? Please help. > apkesh Drywall isn't really that expensive. About $25 in materials for an 8 foot square wall, including framing. You can do it yourself. You can find instructions on the web. Since its not really living space, it doesn't need to have the nice neat finish of your house.
I think that even if you don't do anything other than plastic, as several others have suggested, that you should put down flooring and cover the rafters to keep down dust.
Bob
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Lloyd Erlick - 19 Feb 2004 15:46 GMT >Hello, >I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >successfuly? Please help. >apkesh feb1904 from Lloyd Erlick,
In a basement, the cement floor will be a big problem. It will very likely release dust forever. There will always be a moisture problem with a cement floor below grade, in contact with the soil. The severity of the problem will vary greatly depending on location, climate, and the lay of the land. (I saw a house in Toronto, downtown no less, that actually had a little trickle of running water going through its basement. A veritable miniature river. The succession of owners had given up trying to block it and had settled for channeling it. Ground waer in a city, yechh...)
Getting around this problem leads people to all sorts of floor treatments, some of which are huge errors.
Any type of covering or coating is an error on a basement floor. Rugs or linoleum coverings trap moisture underneath, and mildew will inevitably result. Any floor cover like a rug must be removable for cleaning. And it must be removed and cleaned once in a while. The floor underneath will need a scrub and sterilization, too.
Coatings like paint (I've used several different types, including two part epoxy swimming pool paint) always fail eventually, leaving a flaking mess. There is always moisture underneath them, i.e. between the coating and the cement.
The best solution is the easiest and cheapest. Clean the floor to within an inch of its life. Scrub it and rinse it and sweep it and vacuum it and in general eliminate all dirt as well as you can. Then seal it with a water based glue; I use a product called Weldbond, diluted about 1+3 to 1+6 with plain tap water. Swab it around all over the floor with the cheapest string mop you can get. Let it soak in (that's why it's fairly dilute) and dry. Repeat the process as many times as you feel necessary. It can be done again at any time, even when the darkroom furniture is in place, to renew it. No smell, no fumes, no harm to photo materials. Floor wax or polish can be applied after the sealer is dry (I don't bother, though), and they are easily renewable treatments, too, with no big move of furniture needed. But the strippers for wax and polish can be pretty stinky, even though they are mild by comparison to paint.
If the walls are dusty, treat them the same way.
Ceiling dust can be cheaply controlled by stapling two or four mil sheet polyethylene across the ceiling joists. It's easy to cut through any spot you want to work on later, and re-cover with more sheet plastic.
The walls could be draped with the same sheet plastic to control dust, too, depending how stylish you'd like the place to look. Wall dust will then collect on the floor at the base of the walls, where it can be vacuumed and/or swept up.
If you use a canister or shop type of vacuum cleaner, a long length of hose can be placed on the exhaust port and led out of the darkroom area to keep from blowing up a storm in there.
If you're not the owner of the real estate where you're putting in this darkroom, consider everything you do in terms of portability and ease of taking it with you when you leave. My sinks are on wheels, and the taps connect with laundry and dishwasher type pressure hoses. I connect to the house plumbing via the kind of valves used to connect/disconnect washing machines. I did it this way even in a place I owned for twenty-eight years!
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otzi - 20 Feb 2004 03:48 GMT > The best solution is the easiest and cheapest. > Clean the floor to within an inch of its life. > Scrub it and rinse it and sweep it and vacuum it > and in general eliminate all dirt as well as you > can. ---------Then seal it with a water based glue; - My studio is a conc. floored basement garage previously occupied by a flooring person who generously left dollops of ?flooring? glue here and there. It can't be removed, by chissel, spade or hammer with out removing a lump of base. Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may well work as a sealing medium.
Dennis O'Connor - 20 Feb 2004 12:49 GMT Otzi, if the lumps are more than very tiny, you will still have speed bumps after coating with glue... Chisel em off, and then spackle (fill) the holes with floor patch, then glue, paint, covering, or whatever... denny
> > The best solution is the easiest and cheapest. > > Clean the floor to within an inch of its life. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lump of base. Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may > well work as a sealing medium. otzi - 20 Feb 2004 14:47 GMT > Otzi, if the lumps are more than very tiny, you will still have speed bumps > after coating with glue... Chisel em off, and then spackle (fill) the holes [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > lump of base. Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may > > well work as a sealing medium. Dennis,- I was more backing up Lloyd's post re; glue coating. Thanks anyway.
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Feb 2004 14:53 GMT >Otzi, if the lumps are more than very tiny, you will still have speed bumps >after coating with glue... Chisel em off, and then spackle (fill) the holes [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> lump of base. Consequently I've got built in speed humps. So,.. glue may >> well work as a sealing medium. feb2004 from Lloyd Erlick,
The lumps of stuff you describe are different from the glue I was talking about. I use water based glue in dilute form to soak into cement. The stuff on your floor is some sort of construction or floor tile adhesive. I had some on my previous basement floor, too, and mine took off the top eighth inch of cement, too, where I could get it off. The stuff I had to contend with was described by the can (still there!) as construction adhesive, and it was lke a super thick form of contact cement, or maybe rubber cement. It was never water based in all its former history.
I'd also advise chiseling the speed bumps away, at least the ones in your path! Don't trip in the dark.
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bob - 20 Feb 2004 17:51 GMT > My studio is a conc. floored basement garage previously occupied by a > flooring person who generously left dollops of ?flooring? glue here > and there. It can't be removed, by chissel, spade or hammer with out > removing a lump of base. Consequently I've got built in speed humps. > So,.. glue may well work as a sealing medium. Heat gun and scraper will probably take it right off.
Bob
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David Starr - 19 Feb 2004 21:29 GMT >Hello, >I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is >my bsmt is unfinished, which means it's all empty and to put up dry >walls to build a room it'll cost me lots of $$$. Has any one ever >setup a room for printing and processing in an environment like this >successfuly? Please help. For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom. I built a solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry tub. The washer & dryer on the other side of the tub was my sink. I'd cover them with old towels & put my trays on them. I developed film the same way, on the washer & dryer. The laundry tub was my "sink" for washing film & prints. Blank out the windows & you've got a darkroom.
Last summer I partitioned off a 12X14 space & finally built a dedicated darkroom. Built a sink 8' long by 30" deep, nice cabinets, the whole 9 yards. I love it, but my prints didn't get any better for having it.
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Mike - 19 Feb 2004 21:41 GMT > For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom. I built a > solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "sink" for washing film & prints. Blank out the windows & you've got > a darkroom. Did you ventilate with fans? This is my issue...basement is so big that a tiny fan won't do a thing.
Nick Zentena - 19 Feb 2004 21:49 GMT >> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom. I built a >> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Did you ventilate with fans? This is my issue...basement is so big that a > tiny fan won't do a thing. Let me answer your question with a question. If you set up outdoors would you get a REALLY big fan?
Nick
Lloyd Erlick - 20 Feb 2004 06:37 GMT >> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom. I built a >> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Did you ventilate with fans? This is my issue...basement is so big that a >tiny fan won't do a thing. feb2004 from Lloyd Erlick,
Maybe your basement is so big you don't need ventilation. Eliminate sources of odor and 'fumes', such as acetic acid and sulfur dioxide from rapid fixer, and you might not be creating enough smell to bother venting. I've stopped using acid of any sort in my darkroom, and I use an old fashioned plain fixer I make according to a formula of Ansel Adams'. My darkroom doesn't smell at all any more. (I used to put a cardboard cover on my tray when selenium toner was in it, but I only have it out for ten minutes at a time and it's not enough to bother me.)
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David Starr - 20 Feb 2004 23:09 GMT >> For over 20 years I used the whole basement as a darkroom. I built a >> solid stand for the enlarger & placed it to one side of the laundry [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Did you ventilate with fans? This is my issue...basement is so big that a >tiny fan won't do a thing. Didn't ventilate & never really noticed a problem.
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Michael Scarpitti - 20 Feb 2004 23:58 GMT > Hello, > I am looking at setting up a dark room in my bsmt. The only problem is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > successfuly? Please help. > apkesh If your basement has dividers in it already, or you do not have to share it with anyone doing the laundry, you need put up no walls. I use the furnace room in my house, which has a separate door that is far enough away that light is not a problem. I also turn off the lights in the adjoining rooms to keep the light from coming in. The glass blocks in the basement are blocked off with black platstic.
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