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First contact prints done. Problem with light uniformity.

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Fabio BERETTA - 10 Feb 2004 21:14 GMT
I have finally done my first contact prints... and many questions arose
from that. Much more than after the development of 1st film!!

Here is the first one.

The light coming from the enlarger is NOT constant all over the lighted
area. I have noticed that after beeing suggested to pay attention to the
visibility of the sprocket holes for reference.

If in the center of the sheet are not visible they are at the borders. I
am assuming that there is at least 1/2 or even 1 stop difference.

Considering that I have an Durst M601 with Componon 50mm f2.8 is this
normal? Corrective actions??

Ciao,
Fabio BERETTA
Lecco - Italy
bob - 10 Feb 2004 21:54 GMT
Fabio BERETTA <beretfab**NOSPAM**@tin.it> wrote in news:bRbWb.217746
$VW.8895216@news3.tin.it:

> Considering that I have an Durst M601 with Componon 50mm f2.8 is this
> normal? Corrective actions??
>
> Ciao,
> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy

Light falloff at the edges. You need to use a smaller aperature, like f/8
or f/11.

Bob
Dennis O'Connor - 11 Feb 2004 12:26 GMT
Sounds to me like he needs to install the correct condensors/mixer for the
lens...
denny
> Fabio BERETTA <beretfab**NOSPAM**@tin.it> wrote in news:bRbWb.217746
> $VW.8895216@news3.tin.it:
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>
> Bob
Mike King - 11 Feb 2004 18:24 GMT
or perhaps put in the correct mask in the carrier since the 50mm will not
cover the entire area of the 6x6 glass

--
darkroommike

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> Sounds to me like he needs to install the correct condensors/mixer for the
> lens...
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> >
> > Bob
Nige - 12 Feb 2004 13:20 GMT
> Sounds to me like he needs to install the correct condensors/mixer for the
> lens...
> denny

yep...  you sound like you've got two Sivocon 80's in it.  Are both
condensors identical?  I just tried a 50mm lens with the two '80s and
there's definite light fall off.  With a Sivocon 50 and one '80 (the 35mm
setup) it looks quite even, which I'd expect since I've never had to edge
burn my prints.  FYI, the '50 condensor has a lot more curviture to it than
the '80.

Nige.
Fabio BERETTA - 11 Feb 2004 20:43 GMT
I have used f11!

> Fabio BERETTA <beretfab**NOSPAM**@tin.it> wrote in news:bRbWb.217746
> $VW.8895216@news3.tin.it:
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> Bob
Dennis O'Connor - 11 Feb 2004 12:42 GMT
I'm not familiar with the M601...  Does it have a condenser head, or a light
mixing box?  Whichever it has, is the correct set for 35mm film/lens
installed?  If the correct set is installed for the lens you are using, did
you have the 35mm negative carrier inserted during your white light exposure
for the contact prints?

While it is intuitive that the incorrect condenser or mixer box wiill cause
light fall off problems, it is not as intuitive that leaving the correct
negative carrier out of the light path will cause unevenness of the light -
which it will...

Other issues, such as the light bulb not being properly aligned, a wadded up
paper or filter somewhere in the light path, dirty or hazy lens, etc., can
be explored also...
Good hunting...
denny
> I have finally done my first contact prints... and many questions arose
> from that. Much more than after the development of 1st film!!
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> The light coming from the enlarger is NOT constant all over the lighted
> area.
Fabio BERETTA - 11 Feb 2004 20:52 GMT
Lens was clean I bought the componon because I had proble with fungus
with my previous lens.

In the head there are:
- light bulb
- a mirror
- two thick lenses simmetrically installed with the convex part in the
middle
- the 50mm lens attached to a flange

I have tryied to adjust bulb height in order to maximize the light but
it reaches the top of the head and cannot be adjusted more

I let the negative carrier installed partly reducing the area with the
moveable masks.

> I'm not familiar with the M601...  Does it have a condenser head, or a light
> mixing box?  Whichever it has, is the correct set for 35mm film/lens
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>>The light coming from the enlarger is NOT constant all over the lighted
>>area.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 11 Feb 2004 21:34 GMT
> I have tryied to adjust bulb height in order to maximize the light but
> it reaches the top of the head and cannot be adjusted more

Is this the height of the bulb within the head, or the height of the
head above the easel?

The location of the bulb within the head is to maximize the evenness of
the light, not the intensity.

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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio nolindan@ix.netcom.com
Consulting Engineer:  Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.

Fabio BERETTA - 11 Feb 2004 22:23 GMT
Height of the bulb within the head... that's probably the mistake!!

Now is there any method to correctly estimate if evenness of the light
has been reached?

>>I have tryied to adjust bulb height in order to maximize the light but
>>it reaches the top of the head and cannot be adjusted more
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> The location of the bulb within the head is to maximize the evenness of
> the light, not the intensity.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 11 Feb 2004 22:34 GMT
> Height of the bulb within the head... that's probably the mistake!!
>
> Now is there any method to correctly estimate if evenness of the light
> has been reached?

The evenness of the contact sheet is a good indication...

Seriously:

o Eyeball it as best you can

o Use a lightmeter with an incident disk attachment or
 an enlarging meter and see if reads the same in the corners as the
 center.  Most light meters are not sufficiently sensitive and
 don't have enough resolution, though.

o Check by installing a grade 5 polycontrast filter and making
 a neutral (18% - or so) grey exposure with no negative.  See
 if is even enough to satisfy you.  Tear off a corner and place
 it in the middle of the print to make the comparison.

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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio nolindan@ix.netcom.com
Consulting Engineer:  Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.

Fabio BERETTA - 11 Feb 2004 22:50 GMT
Thanks.

>>Height of the bulb within the head... that's probably the mistake!!
>>
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>   if is even enough to satisfy you.  Tear off a corner and place
>   it in the middle of the print to make the comparison.
Robert Feinman - 11 Feb 2004 15:07 GMT
> I have finally done my first contact prints... and many questions arose
> from that. Much more than after the development of 1st film!!
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> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy

Raise the enlarger head so that the light on the paper is bigger. This
way you will only use the center of the light pattern and avoid the
falloff near the corners. Just increase the exposure time to compensate.
You should also use f8 or f11.

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