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Contact Printing paper negatives

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Ken Smith - 11 Feb 2004 14:58 GMT
Here's an odd one, and one I've never heard anyone else mention on all
the sites and archives I've read. I can't seem to get a perfectly
sharp all over 8x10 contact print from a paper negative. And this is
flat RC to flat RC. I've put glass on the base to get the flattest
surface, and a heavier glass on top.
I've smoothed the paper out with my hands trying to sqeeze out any
air, I've even tried doing wet on wet,with a squeege. There will
always remain a circle of fuzz out, edges that get fuzzy, etc. Real
shame, because otherwise these can about 96% rival a negative in some
cases.
Gregory W Blank - 11 Feb 2004 15:47 GMT
> Here's an odd one, and one I've never heard anyone else mention on all
> the sites and archives I've read. I can't seem to get a perfectly
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> shame, because otherwise these can about 96% rival a negative in some
> cases.

 I found that to be the case many years ago, perhaps its unwritten because
so many people have tried it, it has become an unspoken "given"
never the less its a fun experiment. And if edge to edge sharpness is not the
goal, then perhaps it suits the purpose well.
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 11 Feb 2004 19:20 GMT
> Here's an odd one, and one I've never heard anyone else mention on all
> the sites and archives I've read. I can't seem to get a perfectly
> sharp all over 8x10 contact print from a paper negative.

A paper negative will never be as sharp: the light making the exposure
is _very_ diffuse with the paper base acting as a diffuser.

The image will undercut (called 'choke' in the graphic arts industry)
from light penetrating into the paper at an extreme angle - flying
low under the cloud cover of the negative, as it were.

The graphic arts industry uses a diffusion screen (sometimes called
a 'diffusion foil'), made from a sheet of matte drafting mylar (think
onion skin paper) that is placed just above the contacting print frame.
In this instance it is used to shrink the size of lithographic dots and
to produce fancy graphic effects on lithographic film.

The fuzziness, however, should be uniform across the paper.  Variable
fuzz is an indication of bad contact.

Try a real contact printing frame.  After that, the next step is a
vacuum printing frame: this is made from a plate of glass and a rubber
blanket, the materials are placed between the glass and the blanket,
the frame is closed up and the air is evacuated between the blanket and
the glass - this results in 14 lbs/in^2 clamping force, or about 1/2
a ton for an 8x10 print.  Even with this force (an also because of it) it
is very hard to get all the air out, a pressure gradient is required to
get airbubbles to evacuate.

My partner and I were the inventors of Nuarc's nuVac vacuum frame
contacting system, U.S. Patent No. 4,935,773.

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Gregory W Blank - 11 Feb 2004 20:23 GMT
> My partner and I were the inventors of Nuarc's nuVac vacuum frame
> contacting system, U.S. Patent No. 4,935,773.

That's impressive.....and yes I am being serious!
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Dan Quinn - 11 Feb 2004 22:35 GMT
> Here's an odd one,...
> I can't seem to get a perfectly
> sharp all over 8x10 contact print from a paper negative.

 I've never heard it mentioned that it is possible to do so. There is
an article by Liam Lawless at Unblinking Eye which describes a direct
negative method for doing so.
 I've the method in mind for future trial. The method allows for some
adjustment to the original. That will help render some of my not so
photogenic vistas more printable.
 In fact the direct negative approach may have me buying or
constructing some contact printing frames.                         Dan
Hemi4268 - 11 Feb 2004 22:39 GMT
Hi

There is really no need to contact print paper negs.

I use 8x10 Color RC paper as negative material in my pinhole camera.  After
typical 2 minute sunlight exposure using an 85B filter, I process as usual in a
roll transport processor.  

Then I scan the color paper negative on a Epson scanner.  Then use photoshop to
reverse the image and color correct.  I print the results out on 8x10 color
dyesub paper.

The results look just great and sharp.

Larry
 
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