Sorry, but I don't know what to call it - the technique where one immerses
the negative in a fluid in order to surpress dust. Pointers to
information?
Nacio Jan Brown - 12 Feb 2004 02:59 GMT
Check under "Carlwen" here:
http://www.phototechmag.com/buying_drkroom.htm
This information was published in 1998 so I don't know if it's still
current. njb
>Sorry, but I don't know what to call it - the technique where one immerses
>the negative in a fluid in order to surpress dust. Pointers to
>information?
jjs - 12 Feb 2004 03:11 GMT
> Check under "Carlwen" here:
> http://www.phototechmag.com/buying_drkroom.htm
> This information was published in 1998 so I don't know if it's still
> current. njb
Very helpful, thank you. It turns out they are currently listed, and by
gosh, right here in my home state.
Jim Phelps - 12 Feb 2004 10:07 GMT
> Sorry, but I don't know what to call it - the technique where one immerses
> the negative in a fluid in order to surpress dust. Pointers to
> information?
Ctein wrote in _Post Exposure_ about using Edwal No-Scratch on the whole
negative to reduce dust. If you have the book, his explanation was pretty
convincing, but I haven't needed to do it yet. I wonder if the stuff will
act as a dust magnet, however. PEC-12 removes it.
Edwal's No-Scratch should be in every darkroom. I've always had a bottle
next to the enlarger (replace when it begins to yellow). It smells like
turpentine and in fact, I think that is what it is (was) made of.
Paul Repacholi - 13 Feb 2004 15:27 GMT
> Sorry, but I don't know what to call it - the technique where one immerses
> the negative in a fluid in order to surpress dust. Pointers to
> information?
Wet Gate Printing. Invented in the end of the 70s, early 80s for
printing release prints of movies.

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Hemi4268 - 13 Feb 2004 19:31 GMT
>Wet Gate Printing. Invented in the end of the 70s, early 80s for
>printing release prints of movies.
Actually wet gate printing has been around for the last 100 years. Some gates
use oil and some others, a sort of dry cleaning fluid. In most motion picture
work, they use 100 proof grain alcohol and true the motion picture industry
started using it in the early 80's
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Stefan Patric - 13 Feb 2004 17:37 GMT
> Sorry, but I don't know what to call it - the technique where one
> immerses the negative in a fluid in order to surpress dust. Pointers
> to information?
You're referring to an oil negative carrier, the primary advantage of
which is the elimination of scratches on the negative. Any dust just
floats off.
Traditional oil carriers are VERY messy. It uses real oil, but a
special type, that has the same index of refraction as the film base.
The negative HAS to be cleaned after printing. Some time ago -- 20
years, IIRC, there was a company (in Texas???) that had come out with
an "oil" that worked just as well as the traditional oil, but would
evaporate from the negative, when set aside after printing and, thus,
no cleaning was required.

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Mike King - 14 Feb 2004 14:31 GMT
The other "messy" part is that any dust that falls on the negative is going
to stick to the oil and you won't be able to blow it off.
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> > Sorry, but I don't know what to call it - the technique where one
> > immerses the negative in a fluid in order to surpress dust. Pointers
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> Stefan Patric
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 14 Feb 2004 14:54 GMT
ObContEd:
Oil immersion has applications in imaging beyond scratch 'n dust.
The oil allows a 50% increase in numerical aperture, with a
corresponding increase in resolution with decreased diffraction.
A little javap from Nikon shows the effect of immersion oil
in a microscope:
http://www.microscopyu.com/tutorials/java/objectives/immersion/index.html
To bad Nikon doesn't have a 'photographyu'.

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Richard Knoppow - 15 Feb 2004 02:47 GMT
> ObContEd:
>
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> A little javap from Nikon shows the effect of immersion oil
> in a microscope:
http://www.microscopyu.com/tutorials/java/objectives/immersion/index.html
> To bad Nikon doesn't have a 'photographyu'.
Oil immersion for microscope objectives is a different
thing from wet gate printing. The oil used has an index of
refraction higher than air so the angle of incidence at the
entrance pupil of the objectective can be larger. An actual
oil is used. Wet gate printing uses an alcohol. The index of
refraction is chosen to be near that of the support. So, the
liquid fills in the scratches on the support with a material
which does not diffract light at the scratches. There have
been several solvents used in the past, most of which are
now considered environmental hazards. 1,1,1,trichlorethane
and perchlorethane were common for this application as well
as film cleaning. Now very dry Isopropyl alcohol is used for
both cleaning and wet gate printing.
Because the liquid matches the support its most effective
on scratches on the back of the film. It has little benefit
for scratches in the emulsion. Emulsion scratches tend to
disrupt the image anyway so even a liquid matching the index
of the gelatin would be of limited benefit.

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